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Old 03-29-2013, 10:04 AM
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nope , nothing drips at all ... fixed all the leaks when i replaced the trans ..


so i think all i need to do to it ..
it just buy a
$60 head kit ,
$99 ring kit ..
and re hone it .

funny thing , is even if the compression is low .. its starts GREAT when its cold ...

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Old 03-29-2013, 11:01 AM
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Any good cheap used engines available in your area? If you go the tear down route do not buy parts first. Hard to say in advance of what you may run into.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:17 AM
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I pretty much have any other part i could need ...
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Old 03-29-2013, 02:20 PM
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I pretty much have any other part i could need ...
I think that that's great so long as this quick whip it out and put it back together plan goes well - but what are you going to do if you need to take the block to be re-sleeved? Have you got spare pistons in case the ring gap is beyond limits...

...I don't want to bring you down or nothing like that but...
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Old 03-29-2013, 03:18 PM
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ive already , re sleaved a 616 before .. so not end of the world ..
and i have plenty pistons ..
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Old 03-30-2013, 02:43 AM
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Well you're all set then - good luck.

(Though I'd do a leak down test with the rocker arms out just to be sure)
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:47 AM
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It seems you know your engines. Last thought that occured to me was to consider a really loose or broken off valve guide. Enabeling the engine to swallow a lot of oil.

As you are aware tired valve seals will not make these diesels consume oil at the rates you describe.
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:21 AM
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It seems you know your engines. Last thought that occured to me was to consider a really loose or broken off valve guide. Enabeling the engine to swallow a lot of oil.

As you are aware tired valve seals will not make these diesels consume oil at the rates you describe.
Oh those were the days =>



http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/276144-om-617-manifold-oil-2.html
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Old 03-30-2013, 11:01 AM
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Barry, the PO started the thread quite a while ago. He could pull of his Intake Manifold and see if the Valve Stems Seals are leaking as there is usually evidence of that on the Valves.

However, keep in mind that since the thread was started the PO apparently has never actually did anything more to find out or fix what might be wrong.

So apparently He will get to the Job when feels like doing it.
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A less than scientific test just occured to me. If you are burning a lot of oil. Then if consumption drops signifigantly when trying a straight 40 0r 50 grade oil. The problem will be in the seal of the cylinder bores.

Engine compression may be okay but the oil control rings may be tired or broken or even stuck for example. No reduction of consumption may point to other things.
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:29 PM
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A less than scientific test just occured to me. If you are burning a lot of oil. Then if consumption drops signifigantly when trying a straight 40 0r 50 grade oil. The problem will be in the seal of the cylinder bores.

Engine compression may be okay but the oil control rings may be tired or broken or even stuck for example. No reduction of consumption may point to other things.
if one did that .... what would be the outcome ?

... i dont think one would want to run that that heavy of oil in my climate ,,




i also have another later style 616 head ... so i actually planned on rebuiling the other head and just swaping them
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Old 03-30-2013, 02:28 PM
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Well there's always slick50
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:03 PM
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A less than scientific test just occured to me. If you are burning a lot of oil. Then if consumption drops signifigantly when trying a straight 40 0r 50 grade oil. The problem will be in the seal of the cylinder bores.

Engine compression may be okay but the oil control rings may be tired or broken or even stuck for example. No reduction of consumption may point to other things.
Barry, He could to the Marvel Mystrey Oil Soak and hope that frees up the Rings or He could switch to Synthetic Oil which People have said can free up Sticky Piston Rings with about 200-300 miles of driving.

I think it is more likely that the Scraper Ring is what is stuck instead of the Oil Rings. Because it is the one closest to the Combustion an more likely to Carbon up and also the Ring that is supposed to scrape off the excess Oil in Cylinders.
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:30 PM
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i have tried MMO , and even evergy release ,
and never noticed any differance ,
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:23 PM
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Probably just general wear and tear anyways.

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