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Old 11-17-2012, 05:15 AM
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For how much longer will they let us drive our old diesels?

Is the end in sight?

Here in Holland the government were considering the scrapping of the road tax exemption for "classic cars".

As an old diesel car owner that would have meant that at today's rates of tax (for a diesel car weighing what a W123 weighs in the province where I live) I'd have to pay one thousand four hundred and thirty two (1432) euros a year in road tax.

Needless to say that got a few people's backsides twitching over here as some people - like many on this forum - just happen to own more than one classic; well you have to don't you it is all about redundancy!

Anyway after a lot of hot air and finger pointing the government here has settle on the introduction of a similar system to Germany where old "polluting" cars are no longer allowed to be driven in certain areas (like city centres).

It seems as though that this is a start of a trend of the outright banning of old cars. Any thoughts on this?

Is it time to consider a diesel-electric hybrid conversion (again)?

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Old 11-17-2012, 06:59 AM
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I think if you switch to a cleaner fuel,you will be fine.I get a tax credit if I run biodiesel
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:36 AM
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I think if you switch to a cleaner fuel,you will be fine.I get a tax credit if I run biodiesel
How do you get the credit? Is it for homebrew or at the pump? Is it a credit, rebate, or deduction? Is it good for wvo also?
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:44 AM
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Its on a special Tax form,you can claim wvo,biodiesel,estimate how many miles drove.
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Which form?

Is this a state form, or a Federal form?

More info please.
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:54 AM
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Its on a special Tax form,you can claim wvo,biodiesel,estimate how many miles drove.
cool. any link or a number of the form?
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Old 11-17-2012, 08:41 AM
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Here in Missouri they encourage you to drive older ones.

You need a 12 dollar inspection once every 2 years and registration costs 24.50. Oh and we also have a personal property tax. Which is probably another 40. I won't know until next year. Cars are taxed according to their value, It is the reason that we drive older ones.
My motorcycles are kind of similar except that I have antique plates and don't need a renewal and have to keep a log book.

Unfortunately the solution to your problem is entirely political. I remember seeing the cars lined up for disposal during the cash for clunkers program. It made me sick to see some real nice cars having the engines ingest sand filled oil pans so they would be scrapped. Now to think that same bozo is back.

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Is the end in sight?

Here in Holland the government were considering the scrapping of the road tax exemption for "classic cars".

As an old diesel car owner that would have meant that at today's rates of tax (for a diesel car weighing what a W123 weighs in the province where I live) I'd have to pay one thousand four hundred and thirty two (1432) euros a year in road tax.

Needless to say that got a few people's backsides twitching over here as some people - like many on this forum - just happen to own more than one classic; well you have to don't you it is all about redundancy!

Anyway after a lot of hot air and finger pointing the government here has settle on the introduction of a similar system to Germany where old "polluting" cars are no longer allowed to be driven in certain areas (like city centres).

It seems as though that this is a start of a trend of the outright banning of old cars. Any thoughts on this?

Is it time to consider a diesel-electric hybrid conversion (again)?
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:27 AM
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To OP question, forever....at least in the US.
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:34 AM
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I think if you switch to a cleaner fuel,you will be fine.I get a tax credit if I run biodiesel
Unfortunately Europe seems to be very worried about CO2 - I don't think CO2 is reduced with the use of biodiesel is it?

Even so most of the diesel and petrol here is apparently mixed with some sort of bio-fuel. That's why we end up with the water separation problems when fuel is left lying in the system for too long - there are loads of complaints about fuel quality here...

...don't get me wrong if you use a vehicle daily for long journeys you won't have any trouble but on the odd sunny Sunday when you wheel out your lawn mower == Harley(!) then you get trouble...
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:38 AM
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To OP question, forever....at least in the US.
Well I don't know - I know not everyone in the US of A includes California with the rest of the country! - but in California they do seem to make a bit more of a song and a dance about this sort of thing - just take a look at the special variations that were made for a "Californian" Mercedes...
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:48 AM
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It is just a matter of time before the big GOV puts so many restrictions, taxes regulation fees, and areas where we will be able to drive these older cars. the Inviro Whackos want all cars/trucks off the roads.

The registration fees on my vehicles keeps going up. the 82 Datsun PU is now $95. the 78 240D, 80 240D and 85 300D are all due in January and are $81 ea. can`t believe I have 3 vehicles all due in the same month. the 78 is going to be Non-Oped (None operational) but that is $25 to file, that is a new one. use to be no charge, but a $10 annual fee. then they dropped that. can you believe a GOV eliminating a fee?

Kali smogs Diesels 95 and newer. can`t understand them exempting the older ones. But they are hitting the trucking in this state hard. it has been pushed back for a short while, but trucks (Big Rigs) 95 and older will not be allowed to operate in Kali land, unless they re-power with the new engines or install a particulate filter/cat system that is around $20k which most can`t afford.

Stand by folks, it starts here and pollutes the rest of the country. brought to you by the land of fruits, Nuts and a few Flakes.

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Old 11-17-2012, 12:04 PM
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But they are hitting the trucking in this state hard. it has been pushed back for a short while, but trucks (Big Rigs) 95 and older will not be allowed to operate in Kali land, unless they re-power with the new engines or install a particulate filter/cat system that is around $20k which most can`t afford.

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I really can't understand why governments start making life difficult for the one form of transport that keeps their voting populations fed and clothed and moving about.

Don't get me wrong I think trains should be used more than they are but only when they are the solution to the problem - if the tracks don't go that way - what choice do you have?
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:11 PM
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wvo,and biodiesel is supposed to carbon neutral.As plants who make the oils were once alive.Its on the federal form,for alternative fuels,natural gas and propane.electricity,hybrids
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:15 PM
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wvo,and biodiesel is supposed to carbon neutral.As plants who make the oils were once alive.Its on the federal form,for alternative fuels,natural gas and propane.electricity,hybrids
Nice one - I guess some smart arse lawyer could say same about the plants that were turned into oil too; even though it didn't happen in this millenium!

Seriously though thanks for the information I'll do a bit of googling => I don't think I can buy it here though; let alone get a discount for using it.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:37 PM
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I think if you switch to a cleaner fuel,you will be fine.I get a tax credit if I run biodiesel
The federal tax credit that you speak of expired last year and has yet to be renewed. Here is a blog entry by Graydon Blair from Utah Biodiesel that speaks about the pros and cons of the credit: http://www.utahbiodieselsupply.com/blog/archives/934

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