Removing delivery valves without special socket???
 

Hi i am trying to replace the delivery valve o rings on my 1985 190D, DOES ANYONE have any tips on how to accomplish this without the special socket required? i have in the past used the "keys" that hold the valve by tapping them gently with a flathead screwdriver a few times until it opens, but this time i am doing more damage than good and it doesnt seem to be loosening.
Any help is appreciated, am stranded. thanks

The last time how did you Torque them properly without the splined Socket?

The proper socket is around $25 from samstagsales.com

That is like trying to adjust a wrist watch with a pipe wrench.

This is a precision device, using the proper tool is not optional.

The torque requirements are rigorous and it is essential that they are followed precisely.

well i just wastes some money on this, it doesnt fit.
 

its actually a 33 tooth socket you need

Plus that blue point socket looks very fat and might not fit
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/OBJECTS/images/SP503.jpg
http://www.samstagsales.com/images/ko4133.jpg
http://www.samstagsales.com/mercedes.htm

$38, my bad

If you look at the bottom of the Ad there is a timing set with the Socket. I believe that Socket is for Cummins Bosch Pumps.
If it is a Cummins Socket you could at least sell it to someone.

Personally if you bought it from Snap-on I would complain and tell them there Ad is wrong; that it does not fit all Bosch Injectiom Pumps; and see what the do.

For those who don't like the Drip Method of timing take a look at the price of the Cummins timing set.

Any way you answered My question as I had wondered if that Socket and the Miller version would fit a Mercedes; it looks like not.

It might not be the length that is the issue.
I had bought some Laser Delivery Valve Sockets and they would not fit either. It turned out there was too much metal in the top and above the Splines of the Socket keeping it from sliding down over the Splines.

I complained and sent pictures to the Tool Company and ask them why thaey had not simply copied the Hazet Socket dimensions and they sent replacements for free.

I had to wait for about 2 months for them to get the Company in China to fix the dimensions; but they did.

By the way the redesigned Sockets are excellent and the Torque on the Delivery Vlave Holders so low that there is no Chinese Tool quality issues.

That is the price for the made in Japan KoKen socket. When they sold the Hazet Socket it was around $45; and then there is a shipping cost on top of that.

In the below pic is another part of the Delivery Valve Socket Issue.

I mentioned koken. Plus koken makes some great tools.

I mentioned the Koken name only to indicate that Samstag appears not to sell the Hazet Socket and switched to Koken. Not indicating there is any quality issues.

Due to the low Torque involved I actually think you could make a Delivery Valve Socket out of a good quality Aluminum Alloy or Brass and it would work fine.

The US bought or the Japanese sold a lot of cheap poor quality Tools back in the 1950s and early 1960s during the time when I was a Kid. In fact if something broke back then People would as if it was "Made in Japan".
But, as we know that has changed.

Japan switched to Electronic goods and after that the Tools sold here were good to excellent quality Tools.

They have the hazet socket, it's immediately above the koken and lists for $94.

make one by welding 2 of the retainers/shackle to an old socket. If you don't grind the tabs off, its more work turning it, but you can reuse them.

I just did this job on my 190d a couple months ago, super easy with the correct socket, just buy it. Its 33 tooth and fits perfectly. I bought the nice german version. :D

sorry i am in the mountains alone and no socket in sight, got to move the car of this spot today and i cant even get a call back from the shady snap-on dealer to receive credit for the one socket i boought, still have to put this intake manifold back together and hope it dont leak until i can find the right socket and re-do the job all over again, not liking the 601 at all.

I didnt like buying special tools when I was young, but having bought them, over time ive found great value in them. Unless they are prohibitively expensive they often so simplify the job its a no brainer. For $37 I wouldnt even flinch, just buy it.

<edit> Sorry, I see your in a bind. Looks like the socket you bought was $16? I dont know the circumstance or what you have available, but if the socket is too fat, you could grind it down some with a bench grinder, being careful not to overheat it where it might lose strength/heat treat. If its too short, you could cut the top off and weld it to a deep socket. There are ways to get around things. I would never have a problem modifying a $20 socket to do the job I needed it to do. If you dont have the tools, is there someone around who does?

Does anyone have a link to the correct Hazet or kOKEN TOOL I NEED?
I know Hazet makes a great tool, not too sure on Koken but if it holds up i dont mind it at all.
Need to buy this asap, anyone selling theirs used?

Can you post a link to this Laser Delivery Valve Socket, how much $, where to buy etc?

I am not sure which one Pelican carries Hazet or KOKEN. But, they did have it in their special tools list.

There is a Seller that was selling the Koken version but we are nota allowed to mention it here.

There is a Thread a month of so old that mentions the below Socket. Search for the word Laser. I believe it was mentioned where He got the socket and how much paid. If where he got it was not mentione PM the Poster.
Laser Tool Delivery Valve Socket; Fuel Injection Pump Socket 5471

I have one of the Laser Sockets and it is entirely adequate for the Job. While the Socket is made of good Steel the Torque on the Delivery Vlaves is low so there is no problem with it being strong enough to do the job.

I have used this tool on my car, and it is a quality item.............

Mercedes Diesel Injection Pump Valve Socket Engine Tool | eBay

I sent a PM.

If you go to the above site and page down you see a timing Set with a Dial Indcator. That set is for the Cummins Inline Fuel Injection Pumps.

I believe the Socket you bought is for the Cummins Fuel Injection Pump. Apparently the Cummins Pump is not an M Pump and the Socket is different.

Miller Tool also sells a Socket for the Cummings Pump.

Yes, that is the Koken one. The Koken one is made in Japan.
When I was looking into that about 3 years ago I could find no US sources selling it. The part number I found for it was KO4133. And, that is the same as is listed on the ebay page "#KO4133 (Same as Mercedes # 617-589-01-09-00)"

Unless your in the witness protection program it might be a good idea to divulge your location as there my be a member near by that would give you a hand:rolleyes:

For future DIYers ,A major complication when I replaced mine was that I stripped one of the intake hex bolts ,took me an extra 2 hrs just to remove stripped bolt and find a replacement .The job itself can be done in that time.Clean out the hex bolts with degreaser and pressured water first before turning any wrenches then blow off with compressed air ,youll want to have the hex socket all the way down in the bolt.I was able to reuse the intake gasket but this is not always the case.