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Old 12-25-2012, 07:00 PM
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LOL ... I cannot even properly secure my dip stick tube to the block and you want me to go with the R&P set-up modification ? Right ... Say that like Dr. Evil.... LOL.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:04 AM
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Well like Tom said you "only" need a bit of angle "iron" to hold it in place. I'd be interested to see what Mercedes did to provide support for the dip stick tube for a vehicle with out power steering.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:13 AM
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Hang about hang about hang about!!!

I've had a quick look through loads of "W123 200D" engine bay pictures on google and all of them seem to have power steering - but more importantly you've got to have the lump of aluminium perched on the top right hand side of the block at the front so that you've got a place for the secondary fuel filter etc.

Have you done away with that too?

Here's a picture showing what I mean

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Old 12-26-2012, 09:58 AM
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Hi Army,

Thanks for looking. YES, the aluminum bracket is entirely gone. Don't need it. The fuel filter housing bolts up perfectly on the head so that is why I am pretty sure MB had a solution. The only thing I had to do was extend the fuel lines with 1/4" rubber fuel while I am waiting to buy some Tygon somewhat yellow-clear fuel line which was good and timely swap anyways since when I removed the PS bracket and moved the aluminum bracket, one of the plastic lines snapped like a twig so that was ready to go which is a common issue with the plastic lines. And yes, a little bit of angle iron is easier said than done. I am still trying to figure out how to "flare" or "expand" the dip stick tube so that it will be tight or snug as it goes into the block. I am guessing that the bracket just gives it support while the real action is the snugness of the tube itself into the block. Right now, it is just gravity holding the tube itself.

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Old 12-26-2012, 10:23 AM
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does the tube have an o-ring on it?
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:29 AM
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Hi Army,

Thanks for looking. YES, the aluminum bracket is entirely gone. Don't need it. The fuel filter housing bolts up perfectly on the head so that is why I am pretty sure MB had a solution. The only thing I had to do was extend the fuel lines with 1/4" rubber fuel while I am waiting to buy some Tygon somewhat yellow-clear fuel line which was good and timely swap anyways since when I removed the PS bracket and moved the aluminum bracket, one of the plastic lines snapped like a twig so that was ready to go which is a common issue with the plastic lines. And yes, a little bit of angle iron is easier said than done. I am still trying to figure out how to "flare" or "expand" the dip stick tube so that it will be tight or snug as it goes into the block. I am guessing that the bracket just gives it support while the real action is the snugness of the tube itself into the block. Right now, it is just gravity holding the tube itself.

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The dipstick tube does not go into the engine block.
The dipstick tube is pressed into the upper oil pan.


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I sit corrected ... it does go into the oil pan and that is generally what I meant.

HOW is it "pressed" into the pan ? Mine can be pulled straight out with the slighest of ease. Can I "flare" the end or slightly expand the tube to make it tight?
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:40 AM
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I sit corrected ... it does go into the oil pan and that is generally what I meant.

HOW is it "pressed" into the pan ? Mine can be pulled straight out with the slighest of ease. Can I "flare" the end or slightly expand the tube to make it tight?
I use a 20 ton press + a custom mandrel to extract and install the tube, with the upper oil pan removed from the engine.

My best guess:
#A. The upper oil pan hole is damaged.
#B. The dip stick tube is damaged.
#C. Both #A and #B.


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Old 12-26-2012, 12:14 PM
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I sit corrected ... it does go into the oil pan and that is generally what I meant.

HOW is it "pressed" into the pan ? Mine can be pulled straight out with the slighest of ease. Can I "flare" the end or slightly expand the tube to make it tight?
when I get home in a few minutes, I'll look it over for you. see if something is damaged or not.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:33 PM
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It looks like you've got enough information for the bottom fitting...

...but I reckon the quickest solution to the top is to put the aluminium casting back on the engine. I get the feeling that as the secondary filter is on the other side the casting was always fitted even if power steering wasn't. This is only a feeling though - I have no proof - I'm still looking for an as the factory made it engine bay picture with out power steering.
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:42 PM
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Even the OM615 seems to always have that block of metal...



...or a block of metal.

It looks kind of neat - that one doesn't it?
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