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Does anyone know of a person that has rebuilt one of these heads ?
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Have you seen this thread
1985 300TD head gasket repair I think he just went through what you are contemplating, on the same engine family.
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My local machine shop has done numerous heads successfully for me.
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You could make the effort and call them. The owner's name is Mike and he's quite helpful. Also, to your comment about finding a competent machine shop: My position is that NOBODY can find a competent machine shop and be sure the shop is competent BEFORE they leave their head with the shop. The only possibility is to use the experiences of others to make the determination. There would be very few folks who can bring an entire set of measuring tools and a full set of documentation to independently verify the work that a given shop performs. You are at the mercy of the shop and you do not want to be praying that they understand the job and perform the job correctly. |
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I have tested the new valve guides that were purchased for this job.
The valve stems fit perfectly into the new valve guides without any need for any kind of machine work. The valve guides do not need to be reamed or drilled or modified in any way. This may only be true in this single case. Maybe the members that posted that the guides were purposely undersized were thinking of another engine. |
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Once their pressed into place things might tighten up a bit...
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If you have a look at chapter 5 -135 in the FSM you can find all you need to know (and more importantly what the machine shop should know). After the valve guides have been fitted the valve seat should be cut - and then a gas tight seal should be made with grinding paste. When I had my head re-worked by a local machine shop (who did seem to know what they were doing) they managed to leave swarf in the assembled head between the valves and the new seats and they also gave me an OM615 valve which just happens to be smaller in diameter than a non turbo OM617 one... ...if you are nervous about what other people are doing (I am too) it is best to check and recheck the work they have done. If I had a machine shop like 1960mog I'd be doing the work myself; but there's no way a DIYer will be able to re-cut valve seats without some nice reliable equipment. The only thing you can do is go through the FSM with a fine tooth comb and measure everything before you refit it.
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If you decide to drive the guides in yourself. Either make up or get your hands on a proper tool to do so plus the recommended heating temperature of the head and cooling of the guides. You want a good tight interferance fit of the guides to head when you are finished. If any are slightly loose or valve guides that drive in far too easily in comparison to others . There is an oversize guide available for those places. One reason for the exact or very close to specified valve stems to guide clearances. For the exhaust valves as an example. Some heat is transfered back up the valve stem. This swells it slightly and the guide clearanace reduces. Also although I am not sure of it the valve guide since it is constrained by the cast iron block might swell as it has no room to expand outward. Or at least at the points where it is contained. That swelling or internal pressure in the guides metal will further close the guide up I think. The cast iron of course does swell a little but the co efficient of expansion or swelling if you wish is much greater for the guides than the cast iron. I guess I could do my own extensive valve job if I had the equipment or acess to it. No specialised equipment at all would be impossible. Other than I have a 13 inch metal cutting lathe that I could perhaps set up a pedistal grinder on and thats if I had a pedistal grinder. Again I am not infallable but your approach has certain difficulties inherent with it. I am all for saving money as a lot of members on this site are. So you are not alone. One thing I do not think you have mentioned is why you decided a valve job was required initially? Last edited by barry12345; 12-31-2012 at 03:29 PM. |
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Similar dilemma: 1984 300 SD - 280K mi - valve slop
Somewhat relieved to see a current thread on this topic....as the title hints, I've got an '84 300SD w/ 280k miles on it and put it into a local mechanic for an oil change and a valve adjustment. However, the diagnosis from the mechanic is that I've got significant valve guide slop on #2 cylinder intake valve (like 1/4"!). So, it sounds like the only way forward is to consider a head replacement. I found Metric Motors and the link to a completely reconditioned head - and glad to know they are reputable. However, my mechanic said that just replacing the head doesn't mean all will be will - these engines wear as a completely integrated unit and suddenly putting a perfectly sealed head back on could create blow-by issues further down the road. At present the engine has been getting a solid 25MPG for almost three years, does not burn oil and has been running very well otherwise. I have access to a spare engine which has a head with approx 180K mi on it which I could get for free - but not sure if there's any hope of fitting an as-is head either....anyone got any suggestions? I've invested lots of time (and money) and this beast already - but love the car and am tempted to keep it running. Just don't know what to at this point..thanks in advance for help/comments/insights/suggestions!
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So the answer is generally any member that may possess valve grinding equipment for seats and valves. That means perhaps only the member mentioned but of course there is no way to be certain of that.. There was a time when so many mercedes gas cars burnt exhaust valves the vast majority of mechanics that worked on the brand had some equipment of this nature. The very common burnt exhaust valves where caused by both the valve adjustments not holding there settings plus owners neglecting to check the valve clearances as required by the manufacturer. |
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