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TheDon 01-05-2013 09:52 PM

Climate Control Unit oddity
 
In the '83 300D the climate control unit acts a bit weirdly.

If I select EC the fan does not turn on but if I select defrost then EC the fan runs.

Now I haven't gotten into the dash yet to verify that the air sampler tube is in place, I hope it is. I did find the air sampler grate thing inside the mess of wires and vacuum lines while installing the radio last week (car has a dash cap).

So, does anyone else thing my CCU is acting out of the ordinary?

Jeremy5848 01-05-2013 11:31 PM

I had a similar problem with my '85 300D-T. The cause was worn blower motor brushes. When the brushes are almost worn out, the springs no longer press the brushes against the commutator with enough force to run the motor at the middle speeds available under the "EC" programming. Pushing "Defrost" runs the blower at high speed, delivering full battery voltage to the motor. Once the motor has been "kick started" it will continue to spin at the lower EC voltages. It may be possible to replace the brushes, I recall many brush discussions here some years ago. In my case, I replaced the motor with a new one. A good used motor might also be an option.

Jeremy

bmor_62 01-05-2013 11:45 PM

I actually have the brushes replacement kit. I wound up replacing the entire blower as someone I know was parting out their car. If you decide to tackle the brushes only maybe we can work something out. As long as your commutator is in good shape the brushes route is feasible I think.

kerry 01-05-2013 11:48 PM

Mine's been doing that for about 4 or 5 years.

TheDon 01-06-2013 08:14 AM

I'd rather replace the brushes since a lower is expensive.

qwerty 01-06-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDon (Post 3077970)

If I select EC the fan does not turn on but if I select defrost then EC the fan runs.

That's a pretty common condition. Different modes utilize different relays in the PBU to power the fan.

rs899 01-06-2013 10:40 AM

Quote:

Now I haven't gotten into the dash yet to verify that the air sampler tube is in place, I hope it is.
Uh, you may find that it is not. Let me think...

I have been wresting with ripping a blower motor out of that parts car.

Joe, if you want it and feel like coming back to remove it ( it's wasn't cooperating months ago and now I have lost interest for obvious reasons) it's yours.

Rick

JimFreeh 01-06-2013 10:43 AM

When you hit defrost, the PBU signals for high speed on the blower.
I'd suspect the blower regulator.

Jim

qwerty 01-06-2013 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimFreeh (Post 3078200)
When you hit defrost, the PBU signals for high speed on the blower.
I'd suspect the blower regulator.

Jim

Did you notice that the blower continues to run in other modes once started in DEFROST? How does that happen if the blower regulator has failed?

TheDon 01-06-2013 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rs899 (Post 3078198)
Uh, you may find that it is not. Let me think...

I have been wresting with ripping a blower motor out of that parts car.

Joe, if you want it and feel like coming back to remove it ( it's wasn't cooperating months ago and now I have lost interest for obvious reasons) it's yours.

Rick

I'll just replace it with some hose. I need to swap mono valves too.

TheDon 01-06-2013 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimFreeh (Post 3078200)
When you hit defrost, the PBU signals for high speed on the blower.
I'd suspect the blower regulator.

Jim

Is that easily replaced? Same thing with the brushes?

I cannot recall my w123 I had but I dot recall having to hit defrost then ec

qwerty 01-06-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDon (Post 3078291)
Is that easily replaced?

If the fan runs and changes speeds in modes other than defrost, the regulator is not the problem. The likely problem is a relay in the PBU. Believe it or not.

WMO Madness 01-06-2013 03:48 PM

Sorry for jumping in or even hi-jacking this post. I am having something similar, it's either way too hot of cold. When I set the control just before the red area to warm up the cockpit, and when I move it to the white ranges around the 22 or less, it cools off realy fast.

Where or what can I look to atr to give me the in between temp? Thank you.

TheDon 01-06-2013 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwerty (Post 3078292)
If the fan runs and changes speeds in modes other than defrost, the regulator is not the problem. The likely problem is a relay in the PBU. Believe it or not.

I had two or three PBU's when I had my w123 and of course I sold them all off once I got rid of it.. drat!

Looks like I will be on the look out for another good unit


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