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Old 03-13-2013, 11:29 AM
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That intercooler looks like an old EGR cooler.... good idea on a way to re-use one of those things.

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Old 03-13-2013, 12:40 PM
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I was wondering about that...

So it's an exhaust gas recirculator cooler!

I am aware that an aluminum IC would have been better, but we'll see how this goes first.

Thanks!
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:58 PM
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This is one of the custom turbo fabrications that I have worked with. Obviously, this is a full-race application, but I learned a lot about trim, efficiency, etc...
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:20 AM
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Tom, so you are doing things the "easy" way?
Do you hope that this mod (rebuild) help efficiency at cruising speed?

You are basically increasing the outlet size of the exhaust side?
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:58 PM
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Easy way... LOL!!

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Tom, so you are doing things the "easy" way?
Do you hope that this mod (rebuild) help efficiency at cruising speed?

You are basically increasing the outlet size of the exhaust side?
That's funny!

The exhaust turbine housing outlet had to be re-profiled for the new wheel, both the diameter and the radius of the bell mouth had to be matched to the new wheel.

My goal is to improve low to midrange torque and efficiency, while getting 35 mpg on the road. I did change out the rear differential for a 2.65:1 unit from a 1980 450SEL 6.9 - that will drop cruising rpms down to arount 2700 or so, which I think is more reasonable for a car with this amount of torque on tap.
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:31 PM
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I took at look at the compressor maps

for the Garrett T3 45/50/60 trim wheels and realized that the little 45 trim wheel may be overspeeding at the top end if I continue down this road.

Below is a shot of the maps with my hoped-for boost curve superimposed in pink dots the map on the right is for the Garrett T3 60 trim -

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jG5-ypNgVEbVNIoDM67XfNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink

I used this website to generate the plots.

The green lines represent a method described here.

So I just ordered a 60 trim wheel. The 60 trim wheel looks to be a lot more efficient in the mid to top PR range (20-28 lbs/min) while giving up some efficiency to the 45 trim wheel in the low rpm/airflow range as well.

I am a little leery of the possibility that I may be facing turbo-lag with the 60 trim wheel, but if you consider that I have installed the stage II turbine wheel, and have made some fueling tweaks to the IP, then maybe this will be a good thing... at least it will be a different beast when finally awakened!
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and have made some fueling tweaks to the IP
How are you delivering enough fuel to match boost in the mid 20's?
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:32 PM
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FWIW,

I put more emphasis on the compressor (cold side) wheel, IMHO on a diesel....
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Old 03-14-2013, 05:18 PM
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How are you delivering enough fuel to match boost in the mid 20's?
Let's see if I can't shed a little light on things here...

I think you were referring to my statement - "The 60 trim wheel looks to be a lot more efficient in the mid to top PR range (20-28 lbs/min) ..."

That's 20-28 lbs of air per minute literally - not 20-28 pounds per square inch of pressure.

The max boost pressure that I hope to achieve is approx. 18 psi measured post intercooler. To be honest, I don't think there will be enough fuel even for that. I may be dialing the boost down to just enough to eliminate smoke at most loads. My waste gate is set to about 14 psi right now, and I plan to reroute the boost line from the wastegate to a point in the intake system after the intercooler.

If you check this link (thanks to OM616), there is some good information on adjusting the governor on an MW pump.
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Old 03-15-2013, 12:48 AM
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That's funny!

The exhaust turbine housing outlet had to be re-profiled for the new wheel, both the diameter and the radius of the bell mouth had to be matched to the new wheel.

My goal is to improve low to midrange torque and efficiency, while getting 35 mpg on the road. I did change out the rear differential for a 2.65:1 unit from a 1980 450SEL 6.9 - that will drop cruising rpms down to arount 2700 or so, which I think is more reasonable for a car with this amount of torque on tap.

That is quite a jump going from the 84 300D`s 3:07 Differential to a 2:65. If I worked it out correctly, that is a 13.69%.

I have one of those 2:65 from a 6.9, they are a big heavy sucker. also have the clutch`s in the Diff. The width must be the same as the 123 stock Diff. I guess it works, you have it installed.

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Hey Charlie - You are sitting on a nice 2.65 lsd

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That is quite a jump going from the 84 300D`s 3:07 Differential to a 2:65. If I worked it out correctly, that is a 13.69%.

I have one of those 2:65 from a 6.9, they are a big heavy sucker. also have the clutch`s in the Diff. The width must be the same as the 123 stock Diff. I guess it works, you have it installed.

Charlie
I always thought that low gear on the 300D is too low, and that was before boosting the torque output of the engine.

Mine doesn't have the clutch in it, but it is still bigger and heavier. Side to side dimension is just fine for the W123 sedan - just make sure to recover the precision ground spacers for the axle stubs inside the donor unit. The 2.65 bolted right up. Having the subframe out of the car made lining up the studs to the holes in the frame a lot easier. The axles on the 450SEL were about an inch longer than the ones on the 300D so can't be used.

Shots of the new and old diffs - the lighter colored one is the 2.65
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/X1oy_ni2v2fhmexjAJ1w99MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/stKuhfcIobiuhJQUsZsuWNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
Don't worry, I cleaned it up really nice before resealing the rear cover and refilling it. Internally, my unit was in practically new condition in spite of all the dirt.

I also used the rear half of the donor vehicle's driveshaft so that that I could use the spider that came on the input shaft of the diff for the larger flex disk that is standard on that car. So my driveshaft is now a hybrid: small flex disk in front, large flex disk in back. I had to rebuild the universal joint and replace the center bearing & carrier. The whole affair is probably now in need of balancing, but I don't know of any local shops that can do it - so I might have to do it myself using trial & error method with a hose clamp.
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That's funny!
My goal is to improve low to midrange torque and efficiency, while getting 35 mpg on the road.
If you do accomplish your goal, then you will become as in demand as the European pump builders. Hey kestreltom, how much to rework my turbo?
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Old 03-15-2013, 10:51 AM
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I got a 2.47:1 ready to go in from a 87 560SEL...
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Did you just pass my 740 at 200 kmh in a 300SD?????

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Old 03-15-2013, 10:54 AM
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The axles on the 450SEL were about an inch longer than the ones on the 300D so can't be used.
Most of the R107 and 126 diffs use a flange with a shorter axle. On a W116 and W126, the axles are the same length (Homokenetic) though the late W126 uses the 'Lobro' style flanged inner CV attachment...FWIW
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Did you just pass my 740 at 200 kmh in a 300SD?????

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Thanks... but

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If you do accomplish your goal, then you will become as in demand as the European pump builders. Hey kestreltom, how much to rework my turbo?
I want to find out how this plays out first.

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