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Old 01-10-2013, 10:09 PM
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IIRC, the vehicle had 315K on it when the timing chain let go. I have NOT seen the car drive, but it's obvious the car was moving forward as two valves broke the cam in two places...
lemme know, as I'm RIGHT in the middle of stripping the snot out of the car.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:21 PM
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I'll tell him to check it out.
Have him remove the B2 and look. I guarantee you the B2 piston is broken. When I bought my 722.3xx transmission from a forum member and installed it on my SDL, it wouldn't move forward at all but moved on reverse. I sourced a B2 and sure enough, when I removed the B2, it was broken in pieces. Replaced it with the new B2, BINGO Problem solved. My SDL shifts and drives like a champ.

Please check it first before throwing your $$$.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:30 PM
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I ordered a reman transmission from our Mercedes dealer in MN, it showed up without the convertor. One of the mechanics there that I knew told me if I didnt buy the new $900 convertor from Mercedes, I could probably kiss any kind of warrantee goodbye. Said I would likely kiss it goodbye anyway if a dealer doesnt do the install. $2200 is a lot to throw away, and like SRJ said, the car just isn't worth it.

Cars reach an age where its simply not practical to dump loads of money into them, or pay others to fix them. The 190 has reached that age, its a diy fixit kind of car. And a rather easy car to R&R the transmission. You should do it yourself. By the used one and go for it. Youll learn a lot and gain a ton of confidence, and save a ton of money to boot. Sure enough people here to guide you.
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:32 PM
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I would be checking the salvage yards pricing for an MB transmission. Or have vstech strap that $50 trans. to a pallet and have it shipped freight collect.

I would not pour another $4,500 in a 26 year old, rusting MB with 311K miles on it. Once I saw the rust, (the kind you described) the relationship would be over. BTDT.

The car in question isn't worth $2,500, IMO, much less $4,500 with rust.
I surely agree with you on that
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90 Lexus LS400 189k
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93 190E 3.0 Sportline Limited Edition 230K
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96 MGM LS 242K- RIP
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:33 PM
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if you feel like driving to Charlotte, you can have the trans in my 93 300D for $50, it's high mileage, but it was driving when the timing chain blew...
Thats almost free. But he should check his B2 first, no?
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:38 PM
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I ordered a reman transmission from our Mercedes dealer in MN, it showed up without the convertor. One of the mechanics there that I knew told me if I didnt buy the new $900 convertor from Mercedes, I could probably kiss any kind of warrantee goodbye. Said I would likely kiss it goodbye anyway if a dealer doesnt do the install. $2200 is a lot to throw away, and like SRJ said, the car just isn't worth it.

Cars reach an age where its simply not practical to dump loads of money into them, or pay others to fix them. The 190 has reached that age, its a diy fixit kind of car. And a rather easy car to R&R the transmission. You should do it yourself. By the used one and go for it. Youll learn a lot and gain a ton of confidence, and save a ton of money to boot. Sure enough people here to guide you.
I really might do that although Idk if my mechanic would be happy but oh well for him. I would sorta feel bad to take the business away from him because he really is a good person (one of my dad's employees had him come to their 40th anniversary wedding reception, a relationship probably not common between a mechanic and his customers) but again it is my money. I don't know too much about working on cars as I haven't done much there but I would like to learn.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:02 PM
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There is no crime in saying your out of cash to blow on it. If hes a decent guy hes gotta know that putting $4K into a $1K car is pretty nuts. If not, well, maybe hes not so decent. Some mechanics will act really nice while they pad the bill.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:23 PM
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There is no crime in saying your out of cash to blow on it. If hes a decent guy hes gotta know that putting $4K into a $1K car is pretty nuts. If not, well, maybe hes not so decent. Some mechanics will act really nice while they pad the bill.
That is true but this guy has gone out of the way for us before but I don't think he know much about the values of these cars. I think he would understand.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:03 AM
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I really might do that although Idk if my mechanic would be happy but oh well for him. I would sorta feel bad to take the business away from him because he really is a good person (one of my dad's employees had him come to their 40th anniversary wedding reception, a relationship probably not common between a mechanic and his customers) but again it is my money. I don't know too much about working on cars as I haven't done much there but I would like to learn.
... $4500... NFW!
my 722.3x needed about 400 to totally go through it... all friction and seals, plus rebuilt the drum...
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"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:37 AM
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If the Mechanic is your Friend He will also be understanding.

Personally I hate dealing with peoples feelings or egos; especially if I am the one who is going to Pay.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:29 AM
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If the mechanic didn't at least make fluid and vacuum pressure tests before he decided that the transmission was shot then I'd be wondering why.
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Old 01-11-2013, 08:29 AM
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For the price your mechanic is quoting on a reman tranny, you could definatly do a manual swap which would serve you better for today's road speeds.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:14 AM
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You could go out and find you a gasser 2.3 190 that drives ,the shape of the car really doesnt matter since it will be a donor transmission it will be giving up for your car.Pull the trannie ,sell parts off the donor that you dont keep ,then junk it .If it cost you $1000. it should come out to be a very low cost ,your work ,your time.Every job you give to your mechanic will cost you dearly ,its in your best interest to keep up with every dollar spent before it gets out of hand.
Its pay now and play later kind of road you have built for yourself ,it can be a fun project just dont get talk into every little item fixed while your completeing one task ,(trans).If you do the brakes yourself and learn while you go you can save a bundle.Your pocket book is just now being tagged ,it can get much ,much worst.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:36 AM
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... $4500... NFW!
my 722.3x needed about 400 to totally go through it... all friction and seals, plus rebuilt the drum...
My local tranny shop wanted $3k for a 722.303.

When I was going through my governor problems I called them and the first question they asked was how much did I pay for the car..
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:42 AM
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If the mechanic didn't at least make fluid and vacuum pressure tests before he decided that the transmission was shot then I'd be wondering why.
I agree. Perhaps it did and just didn't tell OP?

"and couldn't shift it forward" is woefully lacking in detail.

Could he not get the lever to go into D or any of the subsequent forward selector positions?

Did he get it into gear but applying the pedal had no effect?

This is a 722.400 series transmission. The B2 failure was more common on the 300 series but I suppose it does not hurt to pop the cover off and look. Although I am not sure how serviceable the transmission is while inside the car, especially on a 201 chassis.

I would also check governor operating pressure and see what that is doing. I've never measured it but I know the governor is key in changing gears on the transmission.

I would also have the indy drop the AT pan...see if anything looks out of sorts. Metal in the fluid? Really dirty fluid?
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89 420SEL 210k
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