So I did receive that news today, which is sorta disappointing but at the same time good because he didn't have to take it off the car and take it apart to figure it out, saving me money for labor costs. He is going to remove it from the car and take it to a Mercedes certified rebuild place and see how much they will give him for it then perhaps buy a rebuild from them (as you guys said, probably over $2000). My other options are to buy an automatic transmission from a forum member that's about 2-2 1/2 hours away for $250, supposedly has 100K on it and was taken out for a manual conversion, or I can do a manual conversion, with parts ranging from $1000 to $1500 from what I could tell.

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Current: 1975 450SEL, 83 300D, 88 Yugo GVX, 90 300D OM603 swap, 91 F150 4.6 4v swap, 93 190E Sportline LE 3.0L M104 swap, 93 190E Sportline LE Megasquirt, 03 Sprinter, 06 E500 4Matic wagon.

Better ask him to be more specific. Many have condemned the trans when it was something accessible while installed.

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85SD 240K & stopped counting painted, putting bac together. 84SD 180,000. sold to a neighbor and member here but I forget his handle. The 84 is much improved from when I had it. 85TD beginning to repair to DD status. Lots of stuff to do.

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Trans places make money rebuilding transmissions, not fixing them.

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1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving

It was my dad that took the call so I don't have much info but I can talk to the mechanic about it someday if I can get over there. I trust my mechanic but with this much money on the line and me not having much in the first place, probably a good idea to ask him about it.

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Current: 1975 450SEL, 83 300D, 88 Yugo GVX, 90 300D OM603 swap, 91 F150 4.6 4v swap, 93 190E Sportline LE 3.0L M104 swap, 93 190E Sportline LE Megasquirt, 03 Sprinter, 06 E500 4Matic wagon.

it ain't one like this. MB 8 speed automatic.

Talking to the mechanic that was pulling it out (along with the engine) the rebuild cost was $16k. This application was in a big crane that you can drive over the road.

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Jim

It is no consolation to the OP.

I was reading the other post that you knew the tranny had problem when you pulled the trigger to buy the car. You HAD to assume the worst and factored in $2.5K for a replacement unit. You best bet is to get a replacement unless you are going to wrench it yourself. No cheap MBZ comes cheap.

Good luck.

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W124 Keyless remote, PM for details. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-used-parts-sale-wanted/334620-fs-w124-chasis-keyless-remote-%2450-shipped.html

1 X 2006 CDI
1 x 87 300SDL
1 x 87 300D
1 x 87 300TDT wagon
1 x 83 300D
1 x 84 190D ( 5 sp ) - All R134 converted + keyless entry.

Ouch. Well I would assume industrial equipment might be costly to maintain.
Thanks. I do have the money if it requires me to spend $2500 to replace it but I am of course going to look at my options before making a decision, especially if I only have to fork over $800 instead of $2500. I might start looking into wrenching it myself as I do have this resource and friends to help, along with my mechanic wanting to train me a bit. I shall learn more in the coming days about what my mechanic thinks we should do and will discuss options.

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Current: 1975 450SEL, 83 300D, 88 Yugo GVX, 90 300D OM603 swap, 91 F150 4.6 4v swap, 93 190E Sportline LE 3.0L M104 swap, 93 190E Sportline LE Megasquirt, 03 Sprinter, 06 E500 4Matic wagon.

If you want to do a manual conversion, best to look for another 190 with a blown motor or an accident. But get one thats a diesel if you can. The gas 190 tranny gear ratios arent matched right, and neither is the diff, and you cant use your auto diff, its geared to high. With another car alongside to take apart, youll easily know what to do on your own.

Best to replace the slave and master as well as the clutch, and maybe flex discs too if they look at all aged.

if you feel like driving to Charlotte, you can have the trans in my 93 300D for $50, it's high mileage, but it was driving when the timing chain blew...

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

Not sure what diff comes in a 190D auto '87 2.5L n/a, but I've got a 190D '85 2.2L n/a that I'm looking (over 1 year now) for a manual. The auto diff that's in the '85 is geared really low such that 70 mph is spinning just over 3500 rpm's. My understanding is the gaser 5-speed has an OD of 0.87 which would drop my 2.2L to about 3050 rpm's at 70 mph with the ex diesel auto diff. I believe that will prove to be nicely geared for my needs. The 2.2 is reasonably robust once it gets above 2200 rpms or there about. Going from memory, gears 1 to 4 in the gaser 5-speed are pretty close to gears 1 to 4 of the auto tranny so the overdrive is the main concern. The gaser diff ratio from a 2.3 liter 8V is 3.23 and I believe spins at around 2600 rpm’s at 70 mph. This might be too low for a n/a 2.5 making 5th gear only useable on flat ground. I suspect the 2.5 diesel auto diff is higher than 3.23 but I’ve never run across a list of the different differential ratios offered in the W201 models.

Since your car is not running, you don't have the opportunity to get some real time experience with how your particular car revs at highway speeds to gain confidence that the overdrive gear of a gaser will be appropriate for your differential. Some internet research to assemble the different gear ratios of the diesel and gasser auto and manual differentials along with the gearing of the different transmission would most likely allow you to pick the proper option without driving your car....plus I'd like to see such list myself

Good luck!

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Symptoms?

Why is it dead?

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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver
1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone
1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy!
1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing

I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior



Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits!

Well I went to the mechanic today and had some good news and some bad news.
Lets start with the good. He thinks the engine is very strong and the shape of the car is excellent.
Now for the longer list of the bad, most of which was expected.
There is some rust at one of the jack points. Not much and nothing major but it's there. For now we aren't going to do much for it except treat it with a rust removing product.
All fluids and filters need to be replaced.
Brake calipers look good but rotors have rusted and need to be replaced.
Valve Cover seal is leaking, doesn't have to be addressed but he thinks it should. I didn't notice this leak at all when I first looked at the car (can really only see it from the bottom) but it looks pretty bad.
Transmission. He said he could only get it into reverse, and couldn't shift it forward. The torque converter was brand new so it will be salvaged. This is where I have two options. I can either buy a remanufactured transmission with pretty much everything but the housing being brand new, done by a Mercedes certified rebuild place for $2200 (ouch) or buy one of the ones I have been offered for here. My mechanic said he would be wiling to install a used one but believed it wasn't the best idea.
vstech, how many miles are we talking?

Anyway I expected a high bill but not this high. For parts and labor, for all the work needing to be done, he quoted $4050. I feel his labor charges and the parts costs were fair but I can't afford getting a rebuilt transmission. Well this goes to prove the point that there is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes .
This does make me question whether or not I should put the money into the car or resell it for parts but I think I will attempt to go ahead with the repair using a used transmission.
Thanks for you guys help though.

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"Transmission. He said he could only get it into reverse, and couldn't shift it forward. The torque converter was brand new so it will be salvaged."

Isn't this a symptom for a B2 piston? This is what happened to my transmission until I replaced the B2.

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1987 300SDL 314K mi, counting; #22 Head
1999 E300Turbo 405K original miles
1997 E320 180K mi (Son's)
2002 ML320 (Son's)
1998 S320 140K mi (Son's) sold
1985 300SD 311K mi
1984 300D 324K mi (killed by a hit-n-run turd)
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I'll tell him to check it out.

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Current: 1975 450SEL, 83 300D, 88 Yugo GVX, 90 300D OM603 swap, 91 F150 4.6 4v swap, 93 190E Sportline LE 3.0L M104 swap, 93 190E Sportline LE Megasquirt, 03 Sprinter, 06 E500 4Matic wagon.

I would be checking the salvage yards pricing for an MB transmission. Or have vstech strap that $50 trans. to a pallet and have it shipped freight collect.

I would not pour another $4,500 in a 26 year old, rusting MB with 311K miles on it. Once I saw the rust, (the kind you described) the relationship would be over. BTDT.

The car in question isn't worth $2,500, IMO, much less $4,500 with rust.