hi folks,

i would like some help identifying these cables in my 77/85 swap. the first, with three conductors, apparently should link the injection pump to another unknown device. the other two, shown below, are bowden cables that come out of the firewall. no, the car was never automatic.

thanks in advance for your help!

Second photo shows the throttle control cable and the oil pressure gauge line....runs your oil gauge..

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The first photo, the plug is from the cable that is connected to the silver box on the back of the IP. this is for the Rack position sensor. all part of the emissions stuff from a 84 or 85 Om617. the plug connects to the ot end on the firewall to the tight of the VC. this is one of signals that goes to the Black Box behind the Pass side kick panel. the Black Box is only for the EGR, and to run the tachometer.

You can eliminate this cable. I saw one threasd where the guy made a small plate to cover the edge of the silver box, or just cut it off.

Did you hook up a Tack? If not and you are using the 84 or 85 adaptor plate, you can use the sensor for the pick up off the FW and use the black box.

When you going to get this swap up and running?


Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

very helpful thank you. i have the SD-style filter housing so no wonder the OP cable is doing nothing. it sounds like the rack position cable can be offed too, and as for throttle control cable, is that disconnected because of EGR stuff i no longer have, or what should it hook up to?

i have the old-style tach sensor & amp setup, so no black box. pretty sure i am missing the wiring over to the cluster though.

charlie, it's running! just got it back from the engine swap, still working on the interior.

The throttle cable is probably from the fast idle knob, is it not?

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2004 F150 4.6L -My Daily
2007 Volvo XC70 -Wife's Daily
1998 Ford F150 -Rear ended
1989 J-spec 420SEL -passed onto its new keeper
1982 BMW 733i -fixed and traded for the 420SEL
2003 Volvo V70 5 Speed -scrapped
1997 E290 Turbo Diesel Wagon -traded for above
1992 BMW 525i -traded in
1990 Silver 300TE -hated the M103
1985 Grey 380SE Diesel Conversion, 2.47 rear end, ABS -Sold, really should have kept this one
1979 Silver 300D "The Silver Slug" -Sold

The Throttle cable has nothing to do with your emmisions. it is to speed up the engine idle on a cold morning. the SD engine you are using won`t need it, unless you want to connect it to the linkage.

The Turbo engines governor keeps the engine at the right idle speed.

I assume you are using a SD engine since you mentioned the SD oil filter housing. the SD uses an electric sending unit for the oil gauge. what are you using for an oil gauge?

Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

does this all mean the fast idle knob is only for naturally aspirated engines? makes sense in the presence of the governor but i'm not 100% sure i have understood this correctly yet.

so, i have the electrical OP gauge from a 126 which i am going to attempt to install in the 123 cluster in place of the filthy hot-oil one. (if only i could get a boost gauge in the empty bottom position too...)

yeah you won't need to hook up the idle control knob. Later diesels have a system that does the idle control automatically.

do save the pieces a little while back i had a bear of a time trying to track down some of those pieces for the manual idle control system.

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2006 E320 CDI
1992 300D - 5speed manual swapped

former members
1984 300D "Blues Mobile"

1978 300CD "El Toro"

also, i noticed the hard plastic fuel supply line in the back ground of the first picture looks pretty rough. Air Leak City!

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Current fleet
2006 E320 CDI
1992 300D - 5speed manual swapped

former members
1984 300D "Blues Mobile"

1978 300CD "El Toro"

thanks philly for the tip! i will check out that line.

I could be wrong, but I think the w116 300SD used the fast idle knob

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2004 F150 4.6L -My Daily
2007 Volvo XC70 -Wife's Daily
1998 Ford F150 -Rear ended
1989 J-spec 420SEL -passed onto its new keeper
1982 BMW 733i -fixed and traded for the 420SEL
2003 Volvo V70 5 Speed -scrapped
1997 E290 Turbo Diesel Wagon -traded for above
1992 BMW 525i -traded in
1990 Silver 300TE -hated the M103
1985 Grey 380SE Diesel Conversion, 2.47 rear end, ABS -Sold, really should have kept this one
1979 Silver 300D "The Silver Slug" -Sold

PhillyTwoTank, the plastic line you were talking about is the clear one which has yellowed with age, right? i took a close look and didn't find any cracks or compromises in it. thanks for asking me to.

Therer are actually 3 fuel lines that were once clear that are now brown with age. They may look ok, but may be brittle.

When I was installing my new engine back in 07 and hooking everything up, the one at the top of the filter (return line, Cigar hose etc...) snapped like a pretzle. a new one now is $50.and a dealer only item.

You could replace it with black rubber fuel line if necessary. there are some threads discussing this problem and what type of after mkt plastic line that could possibly be compatiable.

Charlie

Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

good tip charlie!! thanks.

on my first lengthy drive today in the 240D i heard a THUNK! while over in daly city, and subsequently had no power steering. fabulous, i thought, starting to research PS pump fluid and rebuilds... then i looked under the hood. that damn rack position cable had walked over to the PS pump and got caught in the belt! both were slightly damaged. i tied it up until i can figure out how to remove it more completely. tomorrow for the new belt i suppose. so thankful this was not any worse!