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Old 02-04-2013, 01:34 PM
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27 USD!!!!

That must have been lower than scrap value - amazing.
Scrap on steel is around $200/ton I believe now. Proabably more for clean one material steel or iron.

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Old 02-04-2013, 02:02 PM
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If it is neutrally balanced which most are and your stick flywheel is neutrally balanced you are good. If either is not neutrally balanced the new flywheel will have to be match balanced to the fw coming off your engine. This is a very important step as a mis match will shake your eye teeth out.
Flywheels (and crakshafts) are balanced when they are manufactured. Not sure why they should get out of balance after the fact or need to be rebalanced unless you're building a racing engine or some sort of damage has occurred. Different flywheel weights, the stored energy, will have effect on the dynamics of the engine though.
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Flywheels (and crakshafts) are balanced when they are manufactured. Not sure why they should get out of balance after the fact or need to be rebalanced unless you're building a racing engine or some sort of damage has occurred. Different flywheel weights, the stored energy, will have effect on the dynamics of the engine though.
This has been discussed in great detail in other threads. The consensus (along with the FSM) indicates the crank and flywheel are balanced as a unit which does not necessarily mean the flywheel is not neutral. Most threads I've read where an OM617 was placed in front of a manual the OP chose to neutral balance the flywheel and not worry about it. A few had the flexplate check and if it wasn't neutral they balanced the flywheel to match. I've not read a single thread where they neutral balanced a flywheel and then encountered problems so I guess its the proceed at your own risk.
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Old 02-04-2013, 02:30 PM
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Damn come forth with the goods guys

Im trying to come up with the best options while i do this swap too my jeep. I do apreciate the input as im not Mercedes search literate yet. But im getting better at it. The engine stuff for the most part i got. But searching for cross fitting parts thats still a deficientcy .
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:06 PM
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Flywheels (and crakshafts) are balanced when they are manufactured. Not sure why they should get out of balance after the fact or need to be rebalanced unless you're building a racing engine or some sort of damage has occurred. Different flywheel weights, the stored energy, will have effect on the dynamics of the engine though.
they're not saying a flywheel gets out of balance on the engine it's installed on, they are saying if you take a flywheel from one engine and put it on the other, the balance needs to match the engine the flywheel is going on.
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Old 02-04-2013, 10:31 PM
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Ok so i kinda feel like a dumb twat. The addapter kit comes with a crank addapter. To fit my jeep fly wheel to the 617 crank. I read that the jeep fly wheel is netral ballence. Now if its netral ballenced i can use it. If it was not id need to match that too the 617shotty flex plate correct. I just want to be sure clear on this.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:10 PM
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if you mean that if the mb fw is not neutral the jeep fw needs to be matched to it you are right on.
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:24 AM
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if you mean that if the mb fw is not neutral the jeep fw needs to be matched to it you are right on.
OK and that I will know by taking both for balancing
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:22 AM
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OK and that I will know by taking both for balancing
Correct.
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But only if you marked where the flexplate was on the OM617 crank as the bolts are not spaced differently which allows the flexplate or flywheel to fit the crank in a number of different positions. That's why many folks who swap the OM617 into another vehicle take the assumption everything is neutrally balanced unless there are reference marks on both the crank and flexplate.

If you do find the flexplate to not be neutrally balanced and decide to have the Jeep flywheel match balanced to the flexplate, be sure to have it done with the crank adaptor already bolted to the flywheel.

I'm planning this same swap. My OM617 didn't have any reference marks so I'm rolling the dice that everything is neutral balanced. May regret it later, but I don't think its likely.

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But only if you marked where the flexplate was on the OM617 crank as the bolts are not spaced differently which allows the flexplate or flywheel to fit the crank in a number of different positions. That's why many folks who swap the OM617 into another vehicle take the assumption everything is neutrally balanced unless there are reference marks on both the crank and flexplate.

If you do find the flexplate to not be neutrally balanced and decide to have the Jeep flywheel match balanced to the flexplate, be sure to have it done with the crank adaptor already bolted to the flywheel.

I'm planning this same swap. My OM617 didn't have any reference marks so I'm rolling the dice that everything is neutral balanced. May regret it later, but I don't think its likely.

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Ill center punch mark every thing for alignment. It I will have the balance checked for sure.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:32 AM
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Ill center punch mark every thing for alignment. It I will have the balance checked for sure.
Ouch!

If I were you I'd use a paint marking pen (used by engine builders) on a flywheel. I'm sure in the land of choice you'll be able to get one at your local motor factors.
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Old 02-05-2013, 04:00 PM
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Ouch!

If I were you I'd use a paint marking pen (used by engine builders) on a flywheel. I'm sure in the land of choice you'll be able to get one at your local motor factors.
A center punch is a little tool for marking parts to be alighned or machine work. You push it down and it clicks. Depending on the setting soft or hard will determin the impact of the mark. On this i can do it on soft and it will make little to no bur. Just dont ever do it on

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Or a machine surface that fits to another machined surface.

Other wise use em. Also it cant get washed off in a solvent tank during cleaning. I can tell you thats a bummer.
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Old 02-05-2013, 06:36 PM
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I concurr no problem with center punching for alignment. Only problem I ever have with it is when I try to punch something harder than the punch.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:23 AM
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