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Old 03-08-2013, 04:00 PM
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Hmm

I do NOT recommend this.

A forum member was explaining his method to me on the phone last month:
* Clean the shield (brake clean).
* A lag screw run in enough to catch.
* JB weld around the base of the screw - heat shield.
* Wait for it to fully cure.
* Close the hood.
* Crank the engine.

I have several serious concerns with this method:
* Glue entering the pre-chamber.
* Glue on the injector ring threads.
* Glue wicking = bonding between heat shield and the pre-chamber.
* The assembly explosively exiting the pre-chamber denting the hood, and if the hood is open doing great bodily harm or killing someone.

He now has a pair of unique dents in his hood.


Please be wise and consider safety before, during, and while cleaning up every repair.
Health & Safety


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best technique I saw was a guy made a small bent fork at a shaft end. then tempered it - stacked some washers and put a big engine piston pin as a slide hammer.

I have removed them from VW diesels with a lag screw - worked everytime. - the lag screw was just rocked sideways and out it came.
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Old 03-08-2013, 06:45 PM
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Old 03-09-2013, 03:00 AM
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He now has a pair of unique dents in his hood.


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Ha ha! Pictures please!
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Old 03-09-2013, 09:52 AM
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I do NOT recommend this.

A forum member was explaining his method to me on the phone last month:
* Clean the shield (brake clean).
* A lag screw run in enough to catch.
* JB weld around the base of the screw - heat shield.
* Wait for it to fully cure.
* Close the hood.
* Crank the engine.

I have several serious concerns with this method:
* Glue entering the pre-chamber.
* Glue on the injector ring threads.
* Glue wicking = bonding between heat shield and the pre-chamber.
* The assembly explosively exiting the pre-chamber denting the hood, and if the hood is open doing great bodily harm or killing someone.

He now has a pair of unique dents in his hood.


Please be wise and consider safety before, during, and while cleaning up every repair.
Health & Safety


Have a great day.
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LOL I can see how that could be an issue
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Old 03-09-2013, 11:53 AM
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Sorry

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Ha ha! Pictures please!
Not a chance.
He did not take pictures, and it is already back from the body shop.


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Not a chance.
He did not take pictures, and it is already back from the body shop.


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Now that gave me a good laugh this morning.

Ya i understand the seriousness of doing this procedure.

Iam sure no one is going to own up to this, I was thinking there will be someone in the want to by section looking for a hood for XXX model MB.

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Old 03-09-2013, 01:38 PM
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I've always just bent a sturdy nail at a 90 degree angle, put it in under it, and yanked. Never seen one in tight enough to not come out with that treatment. Most I've removed I just lifted out with a pick.
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Old 03-09-2013, 02:03 PM
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Sears used to sell a screw driver tool with a tapered thread on the business end and probably still do. I use that to get a grip on the shield and then like others, rock it back and forth and kind of around in a circle in the direction of threading the head into the hole. One the shield moves slightly I can yank it out by hand.

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Old 03-09-2013, 06:43 PM
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best technique I saw was a guy made a small bent fork at a shaft end. then tempered it - stacked some washers and put a big engine piston pin as a slide hammer.

I have removed them from VW diesels with a lag screw - worked everytime. - the lag screw was just rocked sideways and out it came.
But, the VW Rabbits like My Volvo use the Heat Shields with a 5mm Hole. The Heat Sheilds with a 10mm Hole have less Metal to grab onto.
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Old 03-09-2013, 06:49 PM
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I do NOT recommend this.

A forum member was explaining his method to me on the phone last month:
* Clean the shield (brake clean).
* A lag screw run in enough to catch.
* JB weld around the base of the screw - heat shield.
* Wait for it to fully cure.
* Close the hood.
* Crank the engine.

I have several serious concerns with this method:
* Glue entering the pre-chamber.
* Glue on the injector ring threads.
* Glue wicking = bonding between heat shield and the pre-chamber.
* The assembly explosively exiting the pre-chamber denting the hood, and if the hood is open doing great bodily harm or killing someone.

He now has a pair of unique dents in his hood.


Please be wise and consider safety before, during, and while cleaning up every repair.
Health & Safety


Have a great day.
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Where I used to work one of the so called Mechanics removed a Chevy 3.5 liter Diesel Engine Injector (stanadyne Pencil Injector) by removing the Injector Clamp an starting the Engine.

When it came out it missed the Hood but it broke and took part of the Fuel Injection Hard Line with it and shot over a 6 foot Fence into the yard of the Business next door.
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Old 07-05-2022, 01:28 AM
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Help… I’m at my wits end.

Can’t get the last injector heat shield out of my 91 300D. All four others came out perfectly easily. This one I’ve effectively destroyed and will not budge.

What do I do?
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Old 07-05-2022, 01:29 AM
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Help… I’m at my wits end.

Can’t get the last injector heat shield out of my 91 300D. All four others came out perfectly easily. This one I’ve effectively destroyed and will not budge.

What do I do?
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1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

Past Diesels:
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Old 07-05-2022, 01:50 AM
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How do you destroy these things or cut them to get them out? There is too much prechamber underneath them to be able to cut too far with a small saw blade.

So frustrated. Hoping for some help.
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1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K)
1985 300D (233K)
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Old 07-05-2022, 02:41 AM
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Can’t even destroy it. Punch, lag bolt, all the ways recommended here.

Even tried to drill it to split it, and also use a cold chisel to split it. No luck whatsoever.

Looks like I’m going to have to invest in prechamber tools. Ugh….

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1981 240D (73K)
1982 300CD (169k)
1985 190D (169k)
1991 350SD (113k)
1991 350SD (206k)
1991 300D (228k)
1993 300SD (291k)
1993 300D 2.5T (338k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k)
1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k)

Past Diesels:
1983 300D (228K)
1985 300D (233K)
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