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fender_bender 04-21-2013 08:33 PM

stranded in quinton, va. any members nearby that could help?
 
Hello all. So I drove to va beach last week and today started on the way back home. We made it to quinton, va when the alterator locked up and we threw some belts, then we started over heating. So the battery is completly dead, I have no spare belts (idiot), everything is closed, i don't have roadside assistance (idiot). If there is anyone nearby that has belts an/or an alternator that would be a great help! I would pay for everything. If I could just get the car 13 miles to mechanicsville i could put me and my family in a hotel and get to a napa for belts, or the german car mechanics place, or a uhaul place and rent stuff to get her back home. Is there anyone that can help? I could get by with an adjustable belt andvtake the alternator out of the loop, but my batt is dead so i'd have no lights... Any ideas? Any way to jerry rig the car to get the water pump to work?

kerry 04-21-2013 09:08 PM

Pair of panty hose tied around the water pump and main pulleys. Get someone to give you enough of a jump to charge the battery to run the headlights or 4 ways until you get to a hotel.

toomany MBZ 04-21-2013 09:44 PM

^ Agreed.

If your alt locked up, you need more than just a belt.

I'm close by, 30 minutes from Quinton, PM me.

fender_bender 04-21-2013 11:26 PM

Thanks guys. I made it to mechanicsville barely. Got a hotel for the night. Tomorrow I'm going to look around and see what can be done. If i can get the water pump going again and get the battery charged I can live without the alternator in the system. The battery shouldn't be drained too quickly with only break light and signal use. I'm not sure I'll find one around here anyway. I may call you tomorrow toomany. Thanks guys!

toomany MBZ 04-22-2013 08:07 AM

I'm off today, but will be in and out.

oldsinner111 04-22-2013 08:27 AM

I'm near bristol virginia,how far to you.unless you can make it here your welcome to bed down,and we will fix car.

kerry 04-22-2013 09:49 AM

If you can't find a an alternator, buy a couple of adjustable belts and a spare battery to get you home.

toomany MBZ 04-22-2013 03:03 PM

He decided to rent a U-haul and take the car home.

HuskyMan 04-22-2013 10:09 PM

After having been through this situation twice myself (both times the car was hundreds of miles from home and BOTH times overheating issues), I've made the decision that when traveling out of town to a distant location I now rent a car for the trip. Even if you have made every effort to make sure your car is in good mechanical condition, Murphy's law will kick in and something will fail causing you a LOT of stress and delay. I always rent from a national concern (National, Enterprise, Avis, Hertz) so that if the rental car fails, I merely call them and request assistance. They have a network to assist me immediately (think GM ONStar). I have taken trips all over the country and have yet to have to call them due to a mechanical issue. Their cars run marvelously smooth and well. I always purchase the CDW (Collision Damage Waiver) so that if there is an accident I walk away OWING NO MONIES. My blood pressure is lower and I enjoy the trip without the stress of worrying about mechanical break downs.

Graham 04-23-2013 12:13 AM

On later cars with a serpentine belt, you lose everything all at once. Had it happen to us while on elevated zero access highway. Charge light cam on, temperature rising fast, no PS so hard to steer. Turned heater on high (car has electric pump for heater) and that got temperature under control until we got off highway. Close to condo we were renting so got there and called tow truck to take her to nearest MB dealer. About $200 + $55 tow later, good to go!

Rental would be good, but in our case we need a car for a couple of months at destination. Rentals then get expensive!

BillGrissom 04-23-2013 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Graham (Post 3135416)
On later cars with a serpentine belt, you lose everything all at once.

Amen. I don't see why many classic car owners spend big bucks to convert to a serpentine belt setup. Must be just for show. Our 2002 T&C minivan stranded us for a day when the plastic pulley (yes) on the power steering pump cracked and took out everything. I wrapped a nylon rope around the crank, water pump and alternator pulleys, but it must have slipped on the alternator because we only made it 10 miles before no power. Modern gas engines suck a lot of juice, unlike my 300D's which requires no electricity except lights at night. Also, V-belt pulleys grab a nylon rope well, unlike slippery mult-V serpentine pulleys. I used that trick to keep the water pump turning and drive my 300D home when my alternator bearings seized like the OP's.

gregszustak 04-23-2013 05:55 AM

I have AAA
In New York you are able to get up to 200 miles in tow, for a bit over $100 per year.
I was able to help a stranded motorist by giving him the 800 number on the back of my card. They signed him up immediately, using his credit card, and he called them for service.
Probably cheaper and faster than trying to find a local garage.

Codifex Maximus 04-23-2013 06:07 AM

gregszustak said:
"I have AAA
In New York you are able to get up to 200 miles in tow, for a bit over $100 per year."

That's not a bad deal considering the average 30 mile tow could easily run you that much.

kerry 04-23-2013 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BillGrissom (Post 3135447)
Amen. I don't see why many classic car owners spend big bucks to convert to a serpentine belt setup. Must be just for show. Our 2002 T&C minivan stranded us for a day when the plastic pulley (yes) on the power steering pump cracked and took out everything. I wrapped a nylon rope around the crank, water pump and alternator pulleys, but it must have slipped on the alternator because we only made it 10 miles before no power. Modern gas engines suck a lot of juice, unlike my 300D's which requires no electricity except lights at night. Also, V-belt pulleys grab a nylon rope well, unlike slippery mult-V serpentine pulleys. I used that trick to keep the water pump turning and drive my 300D home when my alternator bearings seized like the OP's.

What kind of knot? I've thought about the same thing but haven't decided on the appropriate knot. I'm thinking trucker's hitch but it puts two bulky knots in the rope.

vstech 04-23-2013 10:29 AM

a simple square knot would be fine for that.

rs899 04-23-2013 11:21 AM

Quote:

I always rent from a national concern (National, Enterprise, Avis, Hertz) so that if the rental car fails, I merely call them and request assistance.
So do I, but check the states you are authorized to travel in (on your contract). We rented a POS Hyundai Accent back in 2004 and , ahem, drove it out of contract coverage when the transmission almost crapped out. They only thing Dollar told us was to take it to the dealer and get it fixed (under warranty- we would have been there for a week). We got it to work for the rest of the trip but I make a point of checking that.

If I could stand it, I would take my manual 240D on a trip and risk it, but anything with an old automatic is too risky.

moon161 04-23-2013 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Codifex Maximus (Post 3135464)
gregszustak said:
"I have AAA
In New York you are able to get up to 200 miles in tow, for a bit over $100 per year."

That's not a bad deal considering the average 30 mile tow could easily run you that much.

20 year old safari wagon w/ current leak, battery absolutely dead on our return to hotel lot from honeymoon. 10 PM, no parts stores open in Toronto. Call AAA/CAA. AAA gold, towed ~ 130 miles from Toronto to lancaster, NY. Total cost about $60. Like the driver said, "Thank God for the CAA, eh?"

rs899 04-23-2013 12:46 PM

AAA, CAA, like any insurance can be worth it sometimes.

But over 20 years of car ownership of basically junkers, I have paid for 3 tows. Cost~ $200 ( and one was a self inflicted WVO crazed tow from hell).

If I had kept AAA+ over 20 years , 2 drivers @$140 = $2800.

I am a better mechanic than that.

kerry 04-23-2013 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vstech (Post 3135567)
a simple square knot would be fine for that.

Can you get it tight enough with a square knot? There's no adjustment if you're just running the water pump off the main pulley.

fender_bender 04-23-2013 02:46 PM

Thank you guys so much for the input! I rented a uhaul and an auto transport to get her home. it cost around $400 total. the towing company wanted 70 bucks for 10 miles and 3.95 every mile after. That would have been over $1600! I only paid $1100 for the car. I could have had it repaired in mechanicsville. They could get an alternator and right across the street from the NAPA there was a german import mechanic place. there was even a 300d in the lot! I decided against repair only because I wasn't sure if the head gasket was ok and I didn't want to spend the money for repair to only get a few more miles down the road and then realizing it needed to be towed home anyway. I figured get my family home safe first and then worry about the car. I knew the alternator was going since it wasn't charging very well anymore, but it wasn't making any strange noises like the bearings were failing or anything. I figured it was just the voltage regulator needed changed. I would and will take the car on more trips as long as the head gasket is ok, but I will have an emergency kit in the car at all times with spare belts, tools, and what have you. The head gasket is probably fine. The car got hot, but it never reached the red line. The battery was dead so I couldn't run the blowers. The water pump wasn't able to work so the reservior filled up and started sending fluid out the overflow tube.

fender_bender 04-23-2013 02:52 PM

Thank you Toomany MBZ, kerry and oldsinner111 for your suggestions and generosity!

toomany MBZ 04-23-2013 08:47 PM

Glad to hear things worked out.

HuskyMan 04-25-2013 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rs899 (Post 3135599)
So do I, but check the states you are authorized to travel in (on your contract). We rented a POS Hyundai Accent back in 2004 and , ahem, drove it out of contract coverage when the transmission almost crapped out. They only thing Dollar told us was to take it to the dealer and get it fixed (under warranty- we would have been there for a week). We got it to work for the rest of the trip but I make a point of checking that.

If I could stand it, I would take my manual 240D on a trip and risk it, but anything with an old automatic is too risky.

That is because you rented with an economy company, i.e. Dollar Thrifty. You have to step up to a major league player like Avis, Hertz, Enterprise, National and yes, it pays to ALWAYS read the fine print. The OP has stated he was out $400 plus a lot of headaches in reference to his mechanical issues. I've rented some very nice large luxury road cars and driven halfway across the United States for $400 and enjoyed staying in nice hotels, eating at nice restaurants and seeing the sites rather than lying on my back in a hotel parking lot trying to change out an alternator.

rs899 04-25-2013 03:49 PM

^^ It's hard to say what the majors would have done with the same set of circumstances, but they could just have easily told me to pound sand as Dollar did had I violated their contract. Just another thing to ponder as you make travel decisions. Choose wisely.

fender_bender 04-29-2013 09:59 AM

Sadie is up and running again.:):) Got a new (reman) 120 amp alt, new belts, zerex g-05 and went to work. 11 hours later... presto! Coolant flush (got the block drain this time and a wet face despite my efforts of trying to get clear of the fluid :o). There should be no trace of the old green coolant now. Installed the new alt. It was already set up for the 300d, no mods needed!:D Changed all the belts and tensioned them (what a pain. I need ratcheting wrenches!). Sprayed off the radiator (yuck!). running 13.65V at idle now, engine temp slightly above 80C at 70mph. All the lights seem brighter and the windows go down so fast! Now on to other problems the car has.

The Grinch 04-29-2013 12:05 PM

To the OP, glad you got the old girl foxed.

I really don't get the idea behind renting a car for a road trip as others have posted instead of driving your own. If your on biz or if someone else is paying for it sure but for a vacation not involving a plan,train, or bus it just does not make sense. If I don't trust my vehical to make it any distance I am selling it or fixing it to do so. The newest one I own is from 1984 and it drove from TX to MA with out issue. My dad takes his 300cd with over 310,000 miles on regular trips to long island and MI. Anything can break down but I would rather be stuck with an old car then a newer one if on the side of the road. If your not able to fix your own car then owning an old vehical by choice will cost you from time to time.

As far as serp belts go they do have one big advantage. They typically don't get loose like Vbelts especially on a diesel. But I agree vbelts are much easier to rig on the side of the road.


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