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Old 08-26-2013, 01:40 PM
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Charlie, you may have hit the nail on the noggin. This was info that I wasn't able to find as I struggled with this installation. This is the first that I got an actual dimension though it may have been in some of the trans swap threads and I simply missed it.

Yep, my engine is an '85. Not sure what year Macdoe is installing the trans behind and that's why I suggested that he measure before grinding the crank hole. Wish I'd known the 34mm vs. 35mm thing as the bearing place probably could have come up with a 34mm OD bearing with the same pilot diameter. Is the pilot 13mm? I should have measured it before I installed it but I tried the bearing on the snout and I knew it fit so I didn't worry about it.

Folks - a lesson here. A decent bearing house can generally find a bearing to get you from here to there. You'll need ID, OD, bearing width, and bearing type (sealed or unsealed, ball or roller, etc.). They have books (now online) that allow them to match sizes and generate a part number. Bearing makers produce a dizzying array of bearings and almost always can find a piece for your needs. This is also true for seals, O-rings, and other assorted bits.

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Old 08-27-2013, 12:46 AM
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Thanks guys, excellent information on the details...one more thing to clear up before this euro car gets hauled off to the scrap yard....

Do I have to cut out the transmission hump from the manual car to swap into the auto car? I thought that the auto and manual cars had the same sheet metal in this shifter area? I thought that there was no sheet metal work needed for this swap?

This manual trans is being swapped into a turbo motor that has previously been swapped into a non-turbo auto w123 wagon. The auto is roasted and I am not sure what year of turbo motor is in it but I am pretty sure it is not an 85...I am sure when the motor comes out of this one I 'll become familiar with taking the bearing and caliper lesson as a refresher in precision measurements.
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:12 AM
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Both cars are W123`s right? so there is no cutting sheet metal. Dan did because he installed a 617 into a Chevy S-10 I believe.

This whole swap you are doing is almost plug and play.

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Old 08-27-2013, 10:16 AM
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I was just suggesting that you check the shifter mounting areas to see if they were the same. As Charlie said, mine is going into an S-10 so I'm flyin' blind! I'll make a hump once I decide where it needs to be - but I probably should have cut the hump out of the 240D. I'm sure that Charlie is right as he has lots more Benz experience than I have.

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Old 08-28-2013, 05:16 AM
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Yes, both cars are w123's, Thanks for clearing that up Charlie ... I was hoping you would say that.

Dan, My brother in law just picked up a wild s10 4x4 project to use the s10 frame and powertrain to place under a 1940's something Dodge truck. It kinda looks like an old power wagon but its not. He said the wheel base is exactly the same so the wheels will look right in the arches.

I offered him (free) a 617 to use as a motor for his interesting project. He turned me down. He was the guy that helped me transport the euro 4 speed donor car half way across the province. He did so begrudgingly as he does not see Mercedes diesels the same way as us. Too bad for him.....more 617s for me...

I was going to give him the euro motor, too. I just happened to take the valve cover off it tonight to place the motor at the cam timing marks so I can check for witness marks on the crank/flywheel. I was happy to see that someone took good care of this motor, kinda glad I did'nt give it away, now.

I think placing this motor in the same spot for reference as my wagon motor(when it comes out) will aid in getting the flywheel swapped to the same spot on the turbo motor, for balance purposes.
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Old 11-15-2013, 06:11 PM
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Hello, I found out that I am missing the arms that connect the shifter rods to the stumps that stick out the side of the transmission. I may have found a source for some arms for this transmission but I don't know what kind of trans. I have, so I can find out from the seller what he has.

He says the transmission has 130,00kms on it but the engine is a 2.0 L Diesel and has been rebuilt 5 years ago, which does'nt quite make sense unless they ran the engine out of oil?... not alot of kms to warrant a rebuild unless some sort of catastrophy...anyways... He says the engine is from a 1973 200 series car. He is selling just the motor and trans. and wants $300 for the trans. by itself. He has asked me to find out where he should be looking for a number on this transmission, but I don't exactly know because the numbers I found on mine appear to be stamped on parts that are bolted to the main case. The main case has a few numbers but none that are familiar or even stating 716 005.

I finally found some numbers that I would like to find out about.

Here they are: Stamped on a small pad on the bottom of the main iron case (facing the ground when installed) are these numbers : 922652

On the side of the main case and cast right into the iron are these numbers: 115 C61 25 01. There is a faint mercedes star cast into the iron right before this number. The "C" cast after the 115 looks like it could even be a backwards 3...not sure.

On the side cover where the shifter stumps stick out there is this number:115 261 19 19. This side cover is aluminum and removable.

On the aluminum bell housing these numbers: 13 on top of:
R115 251 2701
On the aluminum tailshaft piece are these numbers:R115 261 26 20
Underneath is 30


On the flywheel itself... cast into the backside of the flywheel (facing the transmission when installed) are these: numbers: 617 032 0001 AWK

Also this number on the opposite side with respect to the center bore of the backside of the flywheel: 200982.

I am curious what the numbers on the flywheel mean about this part and what kind of transmission we have here?

Where could I tell this chap to look for numbers on his tranny? Where are the designate numbers suppossed to be from the factory?

Thanks.

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