Originally Posted by Stretch (Post 3142622)

That was Govert wasn't it (on BW)?

If so I've seen that - thanks. The system involved is essentially a glorified version of the A-B timing light method but with the engine running. It only measures mechanical positions of the parts within the IP and not the whole system (i.e. IP and injector) which would be a measurement of the point of delivery (which is what greazzer's system will do). As mentioned by qwerty this is a different thing from begin of delivery; so far other people on this forum have observed that when using this type of equipment point of delivery (NOT begin of delivery) is between 15 and 10 degrees before TDC.

Originally Posted by qwerty (Post 3142469)

It's not that simple. The FSM specifies the crankshaft angle for "start of delivery." The "pulse" occurs later.

Originally Posted by Air&Road (Post 3142687)

...Many versions of the Haynes for other cars are not that good, but the one they did for this car is actually quite good IMHO.

Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3142835)

The important part is the Timing in that chart is taken at 1000 rpms with the Engine running as opposed to the static A&B Light Timing.

Originally Posted by Stretch (Post 3142966)

I beg to differ Larry. The engine section isn't too too bad but watch out for their conversions from Nm to old money - there are a few in there that are just plain wrong. I think the rest of the manual, however, is more or less emergency toilet paper. The FSM has clearer pictures is on line and is free...

Originally Posted by Stretch (Post 3142968)

I agree that it is interesting that the measurements are made at 1000rpm and at a specific engine oil temperature - note that there are no corrections for timing device interaction at higher rpms <= that would be interesting to know about (that kind of information could help one forum member that I can think of who has a weird vibration problem) - but the values given are for the begin of delivery before TDC IP position rather than the true before TDC point of delivery aren't they?

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...ing-may-13.jpg

In other words this data can't be used for the system that measures point of delivery - it can only be used for a weird obscure Mercedes special tool set up that measures the begin of delivery

Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3143406)

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Someone that owns one of the Devices needs to do some testing and report back.

I can see the convenience of the Pulse Devices but I think for the owner of One Diesel Car the Drip Timing is entirely adequate.

Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3142594)

A Member from another Fourm posted the info in the pic below. You can look up the section number in that German Manual you have and see what is there for your Engine.

Also some where in the Manual it give the max amount of degrees the Timer will change the timing and at what rpm you reach that.