Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-22-2013, 10:36 PM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,363
Grr: Scam poor mouth car buyer - tire kicker

I try to avoid wasting time on these people.

Often they walk up poor mouthing and knit picking the vehicle.

Here is an example:

I have been out driving this car many times, and frequently have random people ask how much would I sell it for.
SOLD: 1980 Mercedes W123 240D – China blue

Usually I say $3.5K, they either walk away or start poor mouthing and knit picking, trying to claim it is only worth $1000.00 USD.

This happened three times TODAY!!!

These idiots where demanding I sell instantly at their price, after becoming verbally abusive toward me!!!

********************************

Honestly; Their opinion is irrelevant to me, and I can't see why they feel I should care.

**********************************

This may seem harsh.
My rule of thumb for vehicle sales:

* If I don't want to sell, quote a price at least three times my replacement cost.

* Show me the money and the car is yours, regardless of who or what you are (space alien with tentacles).



* The title is MINE = I set the value, not the tire kicker viewing it.



* Reasonable negotiation is my decision, at my discretion.

* Annoy/harass me enough and I will drive it to death or break/cut it up for scrap rather than sell it whole, I have done this several times through the last 35+ years and made better profit.

Be Your Own Scrappie - breaking a car for spares
http://www.downthelane.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17079

* Always sell it as is (regardless of how perfect) = no warranty.



* What the new owner does with or to the vehicle after the sale is their responsibility - liability.



* If they want a FACTORY NEW car, don't waste time = send them to a dealer, and walk away.



.

__________________
ASE Master Mechanic
asemastermechanic@juno.com

Prototype R&D/testing:
Thermal & Aerodynamic System Engineering (TASE) Senior vehicle instrumentation technician.
Noise Vibration and Harshness (NVH).
Dynamometer.
Heat exchanger durability.
HV-A/C Climate Control.
Vehicle build.
Fleet Durability
Technical Quality Auditor.
Automotive Technical Writer

1980 240D
1983 300D
1984 190D
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-22-2013, 11:05 PM
dude99's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,476
Quote:
Reasonable negotiation is my decision, at my discretion
I particularly like this one
__________________
1998 Ford F150 -My current Daily
1989 J-spec 420SEL Wife's Daily
1982 BMW 733i -fixed and traded for the 420SEL
2003 Volvo V70 5 Speed -scrapped
1997 E290 Turbo Diesel Wagon -traded for above, an amazingly comfortable car to drive, great drivetrain, but the rust, oh my god the rust
1992 BMW 525i -traded in
1990 Silver 300TE -hated the M103
1985 Grey 380SE Diesel Conversion, 2.47 rear end, ABS -Sold, really should have kept this one
1979 Silver 300D "The Silver Slug" -Sold
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-22-2013, 11:20 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 3,740
Damn that sucks! I would love to buy a car from you, sheesh when I become rich I am going to drive up there for a summer so you can restore my car! Tell these people the following you have here, that should be enough...
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-22-2013, 11:29 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 972
Quote:
Originally Posted by whunter View Post
Usually I say $3.5K, they either walk away or start poor mouthing and knit picking, trying to claim it is only worth $1000.00 USD.
There is a rule in negotiating which says "The first person to name a price loses."

Don't be a loser.

Quote:
Originally Posted by whunter View Post
Reasonable negotiation is my decision, at my discretion.
What are your three most effective negotiating tactics?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-22-2013, 11:34 PM
vstech's Avatar
DD MOD, HVAC,MCP,Mac,GMAC
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mount Holly, NC
Posts: 26,389
heh... this actually happened to me yesterday... I'm filling tires at my pumpandfill and this thick accent guy walks up exuberantly and says he wants one or both of my MB's I'm working on, I inform him they are not for sale, but if he wants one, let me know, and I'll get him one or more.

he says he wants me to find him 10 or so for 300 each, so he can cut them up, and ship them to his garage overseas and sell them there for a profit...

he gives me this line AFTER I gave him my card...

oh, his name was Mohammed by the way... I know you were all guessing ted or something...
__________________
John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-22-2013, 11:58 PM
Diesel911's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Long Beach,CA
Posts: 36,795
I drive a rust bucket.
No one has ever ask Me how much I would sell it for.
I guess Rust is not all bad.
Attached Thumbnails
Grr: Scam poor mouth car buyer - tire kicker-rocker-trim-rust-.jpg  
__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-23-2013, 12:02 AM
Diesel911's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Long Beach,CA
Posts: 36,795
Quote:
Originally Posted by vstech View Post
heh... this actually happened to me yesterday... I'm filling tires at my pumpandfill and this thick accent guy walks up exuberantly and says he wants one or both of my MB's I'm working on, I inform him they are not for sale, but if he wants one, let me know, and I'll get him one or more.

he says he wants me to find him 10 or so for 300 each, so he can cut them up, and ship them to his garage overseas and sell them there for a profit...

he gives me this line AFTER I gave him my card...

oh, his name was Mohammed by the way... I know you were all guessing ted or something...
I read the same on the ozbenz forum. They fill a container with the Cars cut into quaters and send them to the Middle East or parts unknown.
__________________
84 300D, 82 Volvo 244Gl Diesel
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-23-2013, 01:07 AM
Zacharias's Avatar
Not so amused
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: West Quebec
Posts: 4,025
Quote:
Originally Posted by whunter View Post
Usually I say $3.5K, they either walk away or start poor mouthing and knit picking, trying to claim it is only worth $1000.00 USD.

This happened three times TODAY!!!
Yeah anyone who looks for a pre-w124 Mercedes is pretty much like that around here.

When I got my 300d, a couple of years ago, it had only 88k on it. I left it parked at my buddy's shop for a few days and he had three guys come in off the street, panting over it.

I told him to tell them all $6k. If they made more noise, raise it to $6,600. (He actually did that with one.)

Now let's be clear, you can't get much worthwhile in any used car for less than $3,500 around here, more like $5k is entry level for a decent, reliable ride.

Telling me that a nice example of what is generally thought to be the most durable sedan ever built, possibly the best all around honest car ever built (period), is only worth a grand is downright insulting.

Or, as the 1990s Volvo ad said: "Some people know the price of everything, but the value of nothing."
__________________


Mac
2002 e320 4matic estate│1985 300d│1980 300td
Previous: 1979 & 1982 & 1983 300sd │ 1982 240d

“Let's take a drive into the middle of nowhere with a packet of Marlboro lights and talk about our lives.” ― Joseph Heller, Catch-22
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-23-2013, 01:20 AM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,363
Hmm

Quote:
Originally Posted by qwerty View Post
There is a rule in negotiating which says "The first person to name a price loses."

Don't be a loser.

What are your three most effective negotiating tactics?
Typically, the price listed is my minimum and a mountain is easier to move.
If I wanted to negotiate, the advertisement would say obo.

Sorry, negotiating tactics are personal, and mine don't work for others.

.
__________________
ASE Master Mechanic
asemastermechanic@juno.com

Prototype R&D/testing:
Thermal & Aerodynamic System Engineering (TASE) Senior vehicle instrumentation technician.
Noise Vibration and Harshness (NVH).
Dynamometer.
Heat exchanger durability.
HV-A/C Climate Control.
Vehicle build.
Fleet Durability
Technical Quality Auditor.
Automotive Technical Writer

1980 240D
1983 300D
1984 190D
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-23-2013, 03:12 AM
MBeige's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: SoCal
Posts: 3,746
Some people's expectations are simply not in alignment with yours as a seller.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-23-2013, 03:21 AM
Skid Row Joe's Avatar
PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: #KeepingAmericaGreat!
Posts: 6,950
When it comes down to cash time, I can usually discount down up to the limit I set in my mind ahead of time to make the deal more enticing for the buyer. Everybody wants a deal, (including me) so, give 'em one with a reasonable discount off asking. However, finding a reasonable buyer with ready cash, is rare at times.
__________________

06 E320 CDI - PEWTER/CHARCOAL
C7 Stingray Vert /M7-speed manual trans/3LT/MSRC/FE2/Z51 - Arctic White / Jet Black Napa interior
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-23-2013, 10:26 AM
Fold on dotted line
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SE Mich
Posts: 3,259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacharias View Post
Yeah anyone who looks for a pre-w124 Mercedes is pretty much like that around here.

When I got my 300d, a couple of years ago, it had only 88k on it. I left it parked at my buddy's shop for a few days and he had three guys come in off the street, panting over it.

I told him to tell them all $6k. If they made more noise, raise it to $6,600. (He actually did that with one.)

Now let's be clear, you can't get much worthwhile in any used car for less than $3,500 around here, more like $5k is entry level for a decent, reliable ride.

Telling me that a nice example of what is generally thought to be the most durable sedan ever built, possibly the best all around honest car ever built (period), is only worth a grand is downright insulting.

Or, as the 1990s Volvo ad said: "Some people know the price of everything, but the value of nothing."

I have an Air Force cube van with a HMMWV engine in it. The Arabs ask me all the time where they can get a van like that, I tell them nowhere, I made the body myself.

Then I tell them I'll make them one for 50K. They go.
__________________
Strelnik
Invest in America: Buy a Congressman!

1950 170SD
1951 Citroen 11BN
1953 Citroen 11BNF limo
1953 220a project
1959 180D
1960 190D
1960 Borgward Isabella TS 2dr
1983 240D daily driver
1983 380SL
1990 350SDL daily driver alt
3 x Citroen DS21M, down from 5
3 x Citroen 2CV, down from 6
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 05-23-2013, 10:56 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 972
Quote:
Originally Posted by whunter View Post

Sorry, negotiating tactics are personal, and mine don't work for others.
As long as your negotiations don't involve "others," you should have nothing to worry about.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 05-23-2013, 11:25 AM
layback40's Avatar
Not Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Victoria Australia - down under!!
Posts: 4,023
When all is said & done, the deal is not done until the cash is in your hand. I hate tire kickers. If they dont have a fat wallet, send them on their way.
__________________
Grumpy Old Diesel Owners Club group

I no longer question authority, I annoy authority. More effect, less effort....

1967 230-6 auto parts car. rust bucket.
1980 300D now parts car 800k miles
1984 300D 500k miles
1987 250td 160k miles English import
2001 jeep turbo diesel 130k miles
1998 jeep tdi ~ followed me home. Needs a turbo.
1968 Ford F750 truck. 6-354 diesel conversion.
Other toys ~J.D.,Cat & GM ~ mainly earth moving
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 05-23-2013, 12:48 PM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,363
Hmm

In each case:
Their concept of negotiating was to DEMAND that I accept less than 1/3 of asking price, while becoming verbally abusive toward me.

Perhaps I am too sensitive, but the key points (for me) are:

#1. This car is my daily driver (near perfect) = not interested in selling below my asking price.

#2. Cursing/abusive language causes me to walk away.


.

__________________
ASE Master Mechanic
asemastermechanic@juno.com

Prototype R&D/testing:
Thermal & Aerodynamic System Engineering (TASE) Senior vehicle instrumentation technician.
Noise Vibration and Harshness (NVH).
Dynamometer.
Heat exchanger durability.
HV-A/C Climate Control.
Vehicle build.
Fleet Durability
Technical Quality Auditor.
Automotive Technical Writer

1980 240D
1983 300D
1984 190D
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page