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Old 06-26-2013, 11:21 PM
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Don't waste your time with the paper gaskets. Get the real Mercedes "waffle gasket". You'll pay a bit more, but it won't leak!

The difference is obvious.





Guess which one seals better???
Please read the quote "Also My original Gasket was just Paper and was not glued on." Meaning the old one that I removed.
I replaced that old one with the waffle one you show in the pic.

I assume the Old one in the pic is the original. It is literally just a normal piece of Gasket Material in thickness. Even the Victor Reinz Gasket is better the original one.

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Old 06-26-2013, 11:30 PM
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In my case, I had to remove the housing from the vehicle because the waffle gasket was glued to the housing and it took a lot of work to scrape it off. I actually ended up having to sand most of it off because the sealant was so hard.

One thing that I noticed about the waffle gasket is that once tightened down, it squished totally flat, making the waffle pattern useless. I used the flat Victor-Reinz gasket with a light coating of Reinzosil on each side, so I'll see how many years it holds up.

I live in Phoenix, Arizona, and usually see scorpions in the house every other day. One day I found six! of them. They are usually all over the outside walls at night. I just bought some Cyfluthrin insecticide that I am going to spray inside and out.
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:31 PM
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I used to live in Tucson for a while back in 79... never saw any scorpions there. except in bolo ties and belt buckles...
I have only seen one here in CA. We were camping in the local Mountains when I was a Kid and I picked up a Rock and under it was a tiny Scorpion total length of about 2 inches. I have never seen any since.

Concerning the Bolo Tie Slides and Belt Buckles; someone either knows where to find them or raises them.
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Concerning the Bolo Tie Slides and Belt Buckles; someone either knows where to find them or raises them.
Ha... come to my back yard at night with a UV light and you'll probably find about 30 scorpions in one night.
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:02 AM
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Ha... come to my back yard at night with a UV light and you'll probably find about 30 scorpions in one night.
In some places in China the Eat them.
Have you found that many People get stung by them?

When I was a Kid I was often cautioned about Black widow Spiders and no one ever said they knew some one who got bit by one.
At the End of our street was an old Farmers Field that was full of Huge Tumble Weeds as big as a Car.

We used turn those Tumble Weeds over and there was quite a few large Black Widow Spiders and their Eggs under the Tumble Weeds.
We also would dig a Fort under them. No one was ever bit.

I can't say the same for Lizards.
I have been bit/pinched more than once by Larger than average Alligator Lizards I had managed to catch and still have a small scar from where a large Horned Toad I had in My had stuck a Horn into Me (the wound got infected hence the Scar).

That Field was a nice Place for Kids to have fun in. It ended up owned by the City and was turned into 2 Little League Base Ball Diamonds. But, they won't let Kids even play Baseball there unless they are part of the League.
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When I got my car the oil filter housing was removed.....the factory gasket was paper and glued onto the housing also.....I used a wire gasket remover wheel to take it off....I scared the aluminum.... So I used gasket sealant and applied the gasket to the housing...it was also paper....thought it would hold....nope it leaks......if I ever work up the energy to remove the housing again....I will sand it and try a gasket with out sealant......but I think my car just likes leaks.....hints to why I would never try to rebuild my own engine
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When I had the Aluminum Intake Manifold off of My Chevy Van I found the Gasket was extremely stuck. I tried My normal scraping it seemed like I was going to have to remove Metal along with the Gasket material.

Even though I don't like to spend Money on such things I went out and bought a Spray can of Gasket remover.

Well it woks OK. You still need to scrape some but you don't need to dig under the Gasket Material and scratch up the surface.

What I had been using a shape Wood Chisel on; after the Spray Remover I was able to take a single Edge Razor and gently scrape the material off.

In the case of the Oil Filter Housing when I did the Job I did glue the Gasket onto I think it was the Oil Filter Housing.
I can't remember if I used Gasgachinch; which is like a Rubber Cement or Coppercoat which is a thicker stickier Rubber Cement with Copper particles suspended in it.

I did that to keep the Gasket in place while I was installing the Oil Filter Housing.
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Old 06-28-2013, 10:56 AM
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Please read the quote "Also My original Gasket was just Paper and was not glued on." Meaning the old one that I removed.
I replaced that old one with the waffle one you show in the pic.

I assume the Old one in the pic is the original. It is literally just a normal piece of Gasket Material in thickness. Even the Victor Reinz Gasket is better the original one.


I've seen many of these gaskets and no doubt that is original.

FWIW- I had great success with the less than $5 Victor Reinz Gasket. The secret is the clean the mating surface until no bumps can be found, install it dry with no sealant and torque down the housing or an even pattern.


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Need some advise on the Oil Filter Housing line fittings

Great write-up. Very helpful.

I have the oil cooler lines out for replacement and took the oil filter housing off the block to change the gasket. The fitting for the upper line on the housing was turning a bit when I took the lines out, so I am thinking, it might make sense to take the fittings out and re-seat them with some Loctite. Maybe use some teflon tape on part of the threads as well. Would there be anything detrimental about doing this?

Great job shining up the housing. I do not know how you got into all of those crevices. I am shining up my housing as well while I am waiting for the gaskets to come in. The dealer had to get the main gasket to the block from Germany.
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I would NOT use any teflon tape!
possibly BLUE loctite would be acceptable if you are concerned with leaks.
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Old 11-16-2013, 10:10 AM
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do you happen to have that part number?


SCORPIONS!!! acck! and I though fire ants were the worst to deal with working on these cars... I've even seen the occasional Black Widow... SCORPIONS!

where the heck do you live? I don't wanna go there and work on cars!


I do some work at my dad's farm a few times a week and that place is covered with scorpions. I think they came in on lumber we used to build his house and barn. Never seen so many anywhere else in the state. Sometimes 10-20 a day in the warmer months.

One stung me earlier this summer- felt the sting, pulled up my pants leg and there it was on my calf. I did a little research and am pretty sure they are bark scorpions and not poisonous (at least to people). Bee stings are about 2x as painful. (I keep bees so get stung regularly).
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When I had the Aluminum Intake Manifold off of My Chevy Van I found the Gasket was extremely stuck. I tried My normal scraping it seemed like I was going to have to remove Metal along with the Gasket material.

Even though I don't like to spend Money on such things I went out and bought a Spray can of Gasket remover.

Well it woks OK. You still need to scrape some but you don't need to dig under the Gasket Material and scratch up the surface.

What I had been using a shape Wood Chisel on; after the Spray Remover I was able to take a single Edge Razor and gently scrape the material off.

In the case of the Oil Filter Housing when I did the Job I did glue the Gasket onto I think it was the Oil Filter Housing.
I can't remember if I used Gasgachinch; which is like a Rubber Cement or Coppercoat which is a thicker stickier Rubber Cement with Copper particles suspended in it.

I did that to keep the Gasket in place while I was installing the Oil Filter Housing.
I recently had to do the same thing. I almost never use sealant when installing a gasket but this time, I could not get the gasket lined up properly. I did not have a helper, so that made the job even more difficult. Fishing the oil cooler housing down onto the block would always knock out the screws holding the gasket or the gasket would fall off. I finally got fed up and used high temp RTV on the oil cooler side of the gasket. Hopefully it will hold up for the long term.
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I hope you didn't use much RTV... just a SUPREMELY LIGHT coating is ok... any more, and you could have issues with blockages and such...
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The waffle gasket from the MB dealer actually sealed this poorly-milled surface on my 300cd. Was it made on a Monday after Oktoberfest?

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Old 11-16-2013, 02:58 PM
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I recently had to do the same thing. I almost never use sealant when installing a gasket but this time, I could not get the gasket lined up properly. I did not have a helper, so that made the job even more difficult. Fishing the oil cooler housing down onto the block would always knock out the screws holding the gasket or the gasket would fall off. I finally got fed up and used high temp RTV on the oil cooler side of the gasket. Hopefully it will hold up for the long term.
RTV Silicon Sealant is certainly up to sealing. But, has to be used with a lot of care because when you apply it tends to go on thick and squeeze out when you tighten it.
If I had to use it for something I would be sure to wait 2-4 hours for it to cure. That way any of the parts that squeeze out will want to stay stuck to the rest of the Silicone instead of migrating someplace else.

I mentioned this in some other threads. I used Silicon Sealant on both sides of a Water Pump Gasket on a rebuilt Water Pump (not a Mercedes).
3 months later I found water seeping between the Block and the Gasket.

I had not degreased the Block but only wiped it down with a clean Rage and that apparently left a film of Oil on the Block. The Silicon did not stick to the Oil and Water rusted under the Silicon to the out side.
That would not have happened had I used what I normally used back then which was that nasty Brown hardening or non-hardening Permatex in a tube. And in fact that old school Gasket Sealant is works well as it always has it is just harder to clean off of the parts later and does a real good job of sticking on your Hand (Mechanics did not wear Gloves back then and even when I worked as a Hospital orderly you did not wear Letex Gloves unless you were doing some special procedure. I would have had to ask the Nurse in charge for the Gloves as there was no Boxes of Gloves here and there in the Hospital for People to use.)

Note that here in Southern CA in the 1960s- and early 1970s People only used Water as coolant unless they were going someplace where the Coolant might Freeze. Hence the reason for the rust.

So I am picky about what I use Silicon Sealant on.

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