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funola 08-02-2013 11:09 AM

A clamp on ammeter is nice to have (make sure its DC) but the wrong tool since you won't be able to use it while you're driving. You want one of those digital voltmeters that plugs into your cigarette lighter.

jeffr0000 08-02-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by funola (Post 3185990)
A clamp on ammeter is nice to have (make sure its DC) but the wrong tool since you won't be able to use it while you're driving. You want one of those digital voltmeters that plugs into your cigarette lighter.

Well right now I'm driving without any electronics running. I want to go through and turn them on one by one to see how that affects amperage outputs. I do have a cigarette adapter voltage monitor on order as well.

benedict 08-03-2013 12:41 AM

It sounds like you have it sorted with a charging voltage of 14.39

If you want to experiment further, get yourself a clamp meter.

You can do this by placing the clamp ammeter on your D+ and should get 500ma approx (stator field diodes) which will disapear once the alternator is spinning. If you place it on the B+ you will get output from power diodes.

funola 08-03-2013 11:56 AM

To monitor charge current of your alternator, clamp-on ammeter should be on the B+ terminal, not D+. I'd like to see you do that while you drive.

What you want to do is monitor voltage while you drive. It should be pretty steady. If you see a sudden dip in voltage, pull over and investigate with your ammeter.

benedict 08-03-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by funola (Post 3186554)
To monitor charge current of your alternator, clamp-on ammeter should be on the B+ terminal, not D+. I'd like to see you do that while you drive.

What you want to do is monitor voltage while you drive. It should be pretty steady. If you see a sudden dip in voltage, pull over and investigate with your ammeter.

B1 correct. By my 6th day of work and three young children pulling at my ankles, my mind begins to shut down.

If you measure current on D+ you will measure 500ma approx(stator field diodes) and this will disapear once the alternator is spinning. If you measure B+ you will get the output from the power diodes.

It would be nice if car manufactures kept this method in cars. I have two old English cars that both have an ammeter on the dash as oppose to an idiot light 'battery light'. It's so simple, you rev the engine the needle moves.

vstech 08-04-2013 10:16 AM

My old dodge trucks have the amp meter... only goes to 30 though. I'm guessing a meter large enough to handle the entire load of the alternator on modern vehicles would be heavy, and expensive. although a remote inductive sensor could give an indication of function, it would not be the same as an actual amp meter.

funola 08-04-2013 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by vstech (Post 3186908)
My old dodge trucks have the amp meter... only goes to 30 though. I'm guessing a meter large enough to handle the entire load of the alternator on modern vehicles would be heavy, and expensive. although a remote inductive sensor could give an indication of function, it would not be the same as an actual amp meter.

Do you have a wiring diagram for your truck? My guess is that it's between alternator and battery and measuring charge current, not vehicle elec load.

An inductive ammeter is an actual ammeter and measures the same thing- current, it just uses advance technology.

jeffr0000 08-06-2013 10:03 AM

It's been I guess five days now and alternator #4 is still holding. I've been driving the car using minimal electrics and I think that may be a factor. My cigarette lighter voltmeter came in and I've been playing with it a bit, turning on different electrical systems and seeing what happens. The biggest drop by far is turning on the cabin blower motor. All my testing was done at freeway speeds. It's a 240d so I've got three fan speed positions. Turning from "off" to "1" results in a drop from 14.18vdc to 13.80vdc. I thought that was excessive considering that turning on my headlights drops from 14.18vdc to 14.07vdc. Curiously, turning the fan speed to "2" only drops from 13.80vdc (@ speed setting "1") to a 13.70.vdc. Then turning the fan speed to "3" results in another large drop, to 13.35vdc. Turning on the A/C results in another .05vdc lost, so the electromagnetic clutch seems to not be a culprit. Eventually the aux fan turns on but because I've not isolated it I don't know exactly when it's happening so I don't have reliable readings for it.

jeffr0000 09-18-2013 09:46 AM

Alternator #4 has expired. I don't know what to say.

SD Blue 09-18-2013 12:33 PM

Disconnect the battery and pull the regulator. Check for any corrosion on the grounded face that contacts the alternator housing. Also, check the alternator housing itself. (No, tight screws are not a good enough test.)

JB3 09-18-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffr0000 (Post 3208389)
Alternator #4 has expired. I don't know what to say.

These are all autozone reman alternators?

funola 09-18-2013 02:15 PM

4 alternators went bad? Can't believe it's bad luck!

jeffr0000 09-18-2013 10:16 PM

Yeah, they're all AZ remans. They're warranty replacements so no cash just time. And given my apparent lack of troubleshooting skills, my time is pretty worthless. Ha! Anyway, I'm going to replace every major cable I can in this damn thing I guess. No clue what to do other than throw parts at it. I've got an alt here sitting on the bench I can reman myself. Any opinion on manufacturers for the guts of it?

funola 09-18-2013 11:09 PM

Bring the alternator into Autozone to have it tested to verify that it is bad. Have you done that with the first 3 alts?

jeffr0000 09-19-2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by funola (Post 3208895)
Bring the alternator into Autozone to have it tested to verify that it is bad. Have you done that with the first 3 alts?

Yeah, they test em to verify before accepting them back.


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