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WOW. New european diesels are finally coming to the US
I was happy to read in this sundays NYT automobile section that Audi, MB and BMW will be offering 4 and 6 cyl turbo diesels across their product lines. All Audi models will offer the diesel variant in 2014, even the big A-8 and A-7 sedans, plus Q-5's and A-4's and with 4WD.
MB to add C Class and GLK diesels to the E and S classes. That's good news. There was also an article on the Chevy - Cruise 4 cyl diesel sedan that's on sale now and gets 48 mpg hi-way. Finally they are beginning to see it our way !!! Interesting note was that VW/Audi has the only 4 cyl diesel that is 50 state legal WITHOUT needing the urea tank system. Better engineering ? jz |
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Not better engineering on VW/Audi's part, but a ridiculously complex particle trap filter. I'd honestly rather have the urea injection system. I will be stripping mine of said DPF system once the warranty is gone (if I keep it that long). It just wastes fuel and creates high backpressure/cuts performance.
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Jetta without urea Fuel Economy of the 2013 Volkswagen Jetta Larger Passat with same engine/trans + urea. Fuel Economy of the 2013 Volkswagen Passat
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I am curious about the new Chevy cruise, I know in the 80s the last diesel us manufactured cars weren't exactly what I would call high quality. I wonder if these have a better life span? I just wouldn't want a newer diesel because of the smog requirements in certain States, I suppose its a good idea for the environment but to me, it's just an added expense and headache...
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I would be fine with the urea if they could find a place for the tank and not require run flat tires. All the MBs use the urea and need run flats.
I am not sure how Audi handles the tank/run flat issue on their six cyl diesels. Chevy Cruise uses run flats. |
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Well---if they have the longevety of our old benz's the cheapskates on this board will have one of these --in about 20-25 yrs.
Oh -wait the world will probably have ended by then. |
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Id be really interested in knowing who makes Chevy's powerplant. Mercedes and VW have a longstanding diesel tradition and alot of "practice" at building solid motors. Chevy's attempts have left me less than inspired. And even then most of their motors are outsourced not built by them. I wonder if its an in house design or what? Half a durmax?
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IF they bring the new c-class to the US in diesel I'm buying one.
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The urea diesels all are on rft tires??!?
Bummer. Urea/DEF is everywhere these days, so doesn't concern me at all, but I like a real spare for any car if put a lot of miles on.
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Current Diesels: 1981 240D (73K) 1982 300CD (169k) 1985 190D (169k) 1991 350SD (113k) 1991 350SD (206k) 1991 300D (228k) 1993 300SD (291k) 1993 300D 2.5T (338k) 1996 Dodge Ram CTD (442k) 1996 Dodge Ram CTD (265k) Past Diesels: 1983 300D (228K) 1985 300D (233K) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VM_Motori_engines#RA_420_SOHC
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Then you should have gotten a Passat
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1991 350SDL. 230,000 miles (new motor @ 150,000). Blown head gasket Tesla Model 3. 205,000 miles. Been to 48 states! Past: A fleet of VW TDIs.... including a V10,a Dieselgate Passat, and 2 ECOdiesels. 2014 Cadillac ELR 2013 Fiat 500E. |
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Looks like VM also makes jeeps CRD motor based on the noises i heard coming out of two of those when they were brand new i stick with the Germans.
I don't know complexity is the enemy of reliability in my opinion. Every leap forward in power and emissions shaves a lot of lifespan. Somehow I doubt most of these new computer controlled wonders will ever really measure up to the standards of old. My old car may have higher emissions but i think its probably outlived about three Hondas by now.
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Joking aside, the only problematic part on new diesels is the additional emissions controls installed on US bound cars. This stuff will also become standard issue in Europe in the next couple of years which should increase reliability dramatically. I think diesel emission controls today have the same maturity level as gasoline emission controls in the US in the 1970s. Reliability and efficiency will improve with time.
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Needed/wanted a wagon, no Passat wagons anymore in the USA. If she had wanted a car I'd have gotten a W210
I am pushing for a trade in of the Jetta when the GLK CDI or ML CDI are a bit older..
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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life- '15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800) '17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k) '09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k) '13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k) '01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km) '16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k) |
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