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Old 08-27-2013, 09:48 AM
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the easy way to remove the engine shock is to slice the head of the bolt off using grinder. From here the shock looks old and cruddy and probably has no shock-value, so cut it and toss it.

In that first picture, look a bit to the left of the shock, going towards the lower control arm and you'll see a hole with a cobweb in it. Look in that hole with a flashlight and you should see the 10mm allen head bolt. First clean the crud out with a small screw driver. Then make sure the allen head socket seats well (tap it with a hammer) and then use the longest breaker bar you can find. You'll discover why they call them that and you might also discover why a very cool old car magazine is called "skinned knuckles". The fun part is that you're upside down, so turn the thing in the right direction.

Shifter linkage? at each end is a metal clip that slides off. Remove the clip, linkage falls out.

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Old 08-27-2013, 12:19 PM
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Good stuff. Thanks, guys.

All the mess with the AC has been taken care of, so all I have left is the coolant, shifter linkage, and engine shocks.
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:17 AM
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On the engine shocks, do I just unbolt them at top & bottom and then lift the motor with them still "in place" or do I need to come up with a way to get them out with the engine still in there?
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:50 AM
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On the engine shocks, do I just unbolt them at top & bottom and then lift the motor with them still "in place" or do I need to come up with a way to get them out with the engine still in there?
If everything i sloose that should work. Once they're unbolted they should come right out.

If the body is being scrapped, the easiest way to pull the engine/trans is to remove the radiator, condensor, electric fan, etc. and cut the radiator cross bar out. That will let you pull the engine and transmission as one unit
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Old 08-28-2013, 10:51 AM
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If you are pulling the motor, you need to unscrew either the top or bottom of the engine shock. You can choose to leave it attached to either the crossmember or the engine.
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Old 08-28-2013, 11:02 AM
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a sawzall will also make quick work of that engine shock if you have bad grinder access.

worth trying to unbolt, but rusted fastners are sometimes a lot easier just to avoid by cutting through the entire shock or just the bolt head like cth350 said, then return at your leisure and better leverage or access to remove the other fastners once the engine is out

I had to remove the entire engine mount arm once to get a shock off it, had to drill out the heads, was highly annoying
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Old 08-28-2013, 11:19 AM
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You can even undo the bottom bracket for the engine shocks if you want.

It is worth keeping things like that - just to fill up any work space you might have left over of course!

If I remember correctly a 7mm open ended spanner on the flat part of the shiny telescopic bit will stop the bloody things from spinning round (might be 11mm though - it was a weird size anyway)

EDIT - sorry Tom's already said most of this - anyway it is nice to have all the extra confirmation...
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Old 08-28-2013, 11:21 AM
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If the body is being scrapped, the easiest way to pull the engine/trans is to remove the radiator, condensor, electric fan, etc. and cut the radiator cross bar out. That will let you pull the engine and transmission as one unit
I think this would be quite a good body mod - a la W201 large engine chassis (I mean make it unboltable)
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Old 08-28-2013, 03:21 PM
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If everything i sloose that should work. Once they're unbolted they should come right out.

If the body is being scrapped, the easiest way to pull the engine/trans is to remove the radiator, condensor, electric fan, etc. and cut the radiator cross bar out. That will let you pull the engine and transmission as one unit
Yup, I got both shocks unbolted, top & bottom. Kroil rocks!

I already the rad, condenser, rad support, etc. out. My fight with the condenser and then rad support was epic!
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I had to remove the entire engine mount arm once to get a shock off it, had to drill out the heads, was highly annoying
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You can even undo the bottom bracket for the engine shocks if you want.

It is worth keeping things like that - just to fill up any work space you might have left over of course!

If I remember correctly a 7mm open ended spanner on the flat part of the shiny telescopic bit will stop the bloody things from spinning round (might be 11mm though - it was a weird size anyway)
It's a 7 mm. I already have some extras from Greazzer, so I may just throw these up for the cost of shipping...
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:04 AM
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Talking She's OUT!

We got it out!

How did we do it? We hooked up the lift and raised the engine; then, as the car rose up from where it had been when the engine was removed, the bumper caught onto the hoist and actually raised the rear wheels of the hoist about two inches off the ground! We set the engine back down some of the way, pushed the car back against the partially applied parking brake until the hoist cleared the bumper, then continued lifting. Then, we tried to push the car back to get it away from the engine, (the hoist wheels are rusty and not rolling cooperatively), and after a lot of pushing, we discovered that the parking brake was on! I got some bolt-cutters, cut the cable under the car, and then we were able to slowly rock the car back (it was sitting in a pothole, of course ). My sister was kicking a rock along the front of the rear wheel so that my father and I could slowly rock the car back without it just rolling back to where we started.

Once we got it back enough, we raised the engine some more and started pushing back again... however, after a lot of vigorous pushing, the engine crane and the engine actually lurched forward with the car! We then discovered that the flex disc was poking up like a sore thumb from the back of the tailshaft and getting hung up on on the tunnel insulation. Great. After some debate, we decided to get a 6' long tamping bar that we have from when my father fenced in the yard and used the flat end of it to pry at the tranny to get it out. We then spent about ten minutes at it like this -- me prying the tranny out, my father pushing the car back -- until the thing was free!

Once we had it out, we set the engine up on a pallet, keeping the oil pan just above the pallet and resting the engine arms on cinderblocks + wood. I'm going to disconnect the transmission today and perhaps try to turn the engine over if I can find a cheap used starter (the one on there is bad, I believe).

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Old 08-29-2013, 10:19 AM
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Congratulations getting the engine out!

Why do you need to turn the engine over with the starter?
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Good job!

I'm guessing that this was your first engine pull given that you were hesitant to yank it around. BTW - in the future, a load leveler (mine's from HF) allows you to change the pivot point where the cherry picker hooks to the load. This will let you angle the engine/trans sharply to get the trans out of the tunnel then level the assembly once it's free of the body. Makes life easier! I've had my OM617 in and out of the S-10 more times than I can count.

Before investing in a starter I'd take the one you have to your local starter/alternator shop and ask them to test it. It'll just be a couple of $$ and well worth it. Those starters are NOT cheap! My rebuild was $100 and that was a good deal. You may find that it's OK or just needs a minor repair. Do you want to start the engine out of the car or just spin it over? You can rotate it by putting a socket on the front crank hub - easy to do with the engine out.

When you pull the trans remember to remove the 6 torque converter to flywheel bolts. They're kind of a PITA to get and you'll need 2 wrenches as they're a nut and bolt deal. 13mm heads IIRC (6mm bolts?). Then the 2 starter bolts and the rest of the bellhousing bolts. The starter bracket will hold the starter in place so don't feel like you have to hold it when you take the big bolts out. There are 4 bolts into the starter bracket and they are a stinker to get with the turbo in place but you can get them.

Yep, I've done this one - frequently as I fit my scattershield.

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Old 08-29-2013, 12:22 PM
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Wow how did you get so dirty?

Did you fall over Jooseppi?

(Congratulations too)
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Old 08-29-2013, 12:40 PM
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Congratulations getting the engine out!

Why do you need to turn the engine over with the starter?
Thank you!

I want to pull compression numbers to see if they are morealess even across the range.
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When you pull the trans remember to remove the 6 torque converter to flywheel bolts. They're kind of a PITA to get and you'll need 2 wrenches as they're a nut and bolt deal. 13mm heads IIRC (6mm bolts?). Then the 2 starter bolts and the rest of the bellhousing bolts. The starter bracket will hold the starter in place so don't feel like you have to hold it when you take the big bolts out. There are 4 bolts into the starter bracket and they are a stinker to get with the turbo in place but you can get them.

Yep, I've done this one - frequently as I fit my scattershield.

Dan
Thanks for the tip. Rats.
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Wow how did you get so dirty?

Did you fall over Jooseppi?

(Congratulations too)
Thanks. The bottom of the car was oil-coated, so whenever I turned around, I accumulated more oil... (I had worn those duds for a couple days straight).

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