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Old 09-08-2013, 02:26 PM
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300SDL Aux Fan Running Constantly

I replaced all of the fuses in my 87 SDL today, even though they all looked fine.

When I turned the key to the 2nd position the aux fan came on high. This didn't happen with the old fuse, so I'm guessing that was bad, but I'm also thinking that the aux fan shouldn't run constantly with the key in 2nd position.

I juggled the icecube relays by the fuse box and the fan continued to run with each of the relays I plugged in.

After searching the forum for a bit, I came upon the possibility that the temp sensor might be causing the aux fan to run.

I found this:



and when I unplugged the wire with two plugs, the fan stopped.

Is the sensor my problem, or am I barking up the wrong tree/misunderstanding the issue?

Any insight is much appreciated.
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Old 09-08-2013, 03:19 PM
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Measure the resistance of the 2 prongs with a multimeter. It is a normally open thermo-switch. It should be open circuit at room temperature, close at 105C ( grey color ). You may have a bad wiring within the 2 prong plugs. It is too much of a coincidence that the thermo-switch broke while you were changing the fuse. One of the wire contact is chassis, the other goes to a relay inside the fuse box.
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Old 09-08-2013, 03:54 PM
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Measure the resistance of the 2 prongs with a multimeter. It is a normally open thermo-switch. It should be open circuit at room temperature, close at 105C ( grey color ). You may have a bad wiring within the 2 prong plugs. It is too much of a coincidence that the thermo-switch broke while you were changing the fuse. One of the wire contact is chassis, the other goes to a relay inside the fuse box.
I don't think the thermo switch broke while I was changing the fuse, this car was asleep for a long time, I have no idea how long it's been running with no aux fan. All I know is that after replacing the fuse the fan came on for the first time...and stayed on.

I haven't even started the car b/c the fuel tank is empty atm (replacing tank screen), so there shouldn't be any reason for that thermo sensor to start the fan since the engine hasn't been run in days.

Am I missing something?
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Old 09-08-2013, 04:01 PM
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When I turned the key to the 2nd position the aux fan came on high. This didn't happen with the old fuse.
This is what you wrote. Am I missing something?? Just change out the switch and be done.
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Old 09-08-2013, 04:07 PM
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This is what you wrote. Am I missing something?? Just change out the switch and be done.
No, you're not missing anything, I just wanted to get confirmation that a failed switch could cause the aux fan to run constantly before I replace it.
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:47 AM
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It should have a specific resistance at ambient, and at 100. It does govern the fans. I have a similar issue in the 96, but its more intermittent ( yet at startup regardless of temps) AND the temp sensor checks ok. ???? . I simply disconnect the fans in the winter when I don't need the AC.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:43 AM
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I replaced all of the fuses in my 87 SDL today, even though they all looked fine.

When I turned the key to the 2nd position the aux fan came on high. This didn't happen with the old fuse, so I'm guessing that was bad, but I'm also thinking that the aux fan shouldn't run constantly with the key in 2nd position.

I juggled the icecube relays by the fuse box and the fan continued to run with each of the relays I plugged in.

After searching the forum for a bit, I came upon the possibility that the temp sensor might be causing the aux fan to run.

I found this:



and when I unplugged the wire with two plugs, the fan stopped.

Is the sensor my problem, or am I barking up the wrong tree/misunderstanding the issue?

Any insight is much appreciated.
I actually had this same issue in my 75 300D. the car was parked in a garage for 15 years just being out about 2 months when I got it. I reversed some cooky work and noticed that when the A/C was on and or when the temp climbed slightly the AUX fan did not come on. On my model (and on most cars) the fan is controlled by the water temp sensor in the t-stat housing as well as the refrigerant temp sensor on the A/C dryer. I closed the circuit on the temp sensor and dryer and no fan. then I inspected the fan, I had power... disassembled the fan and cleaned it made sure the brushes were making solid contact. the last thing I did is replace the 8a fuse for a 16a as the diagram depicted and now the fan runs in key pos. #2 constantly from the first turn in the morning to the last revolution of the day... i have disconnected the two sensors and it still operates... everything looks undisturbed...
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Old 09-17-2013, 02:29 PM
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I had a 603 aux fan switch stick on two occasions from wetting them when washing the engine.

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Old 09-17-2013, 02:47 PM
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My switch on my 300TD failed shorted, this caused the aux fan to run all the time.

If the fan stops when you pull the 2 pin plug, there's your problem.

You do not need to drain the coolant to change this, it's high enough that you might get a dribble but that's it.

The two pin plug is the fan relay coil and ground, the single pin is for the ACC compressor shut down. Threre are 2 switches in there, the stock switch is 105 c for the fan and 115 c for the ACC shut down. Both switches ground on temperature rise.

Some folks get a cooler rated switch to bring the fan on at a lower temperature. That is a good idea IMO.
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