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Old 09-22-2013, 12:12 AM
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Anyone using Kat's or Zerostart lower rad hose heaters?

The Kats is the red unit that DieselGiant shows on its site in its how-to/sales promo. The Zerostart unit is a different shape, larger with an aluminum housing.

I ask particularly as the Kat's is the better size for a w123, but on Amazon there are way too many reviews that say the units only last from a matter of weeks to months. Sort of bizarre for a simple heating element in T fitting. So I am interested if folks here have experience with them.

Though Zerostart is a Canadian company their product isn't commonly sold up here. I mainly ask about them as the unit looks a bit too large and I'm wondering if anyone has installed one.
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Old 09-22-2013, 12:26 AM
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I have a ZeroStart in my 85 TD. Works fine (at least the last time I used it) and fits fine. Bought it for like $8 on Ebay.
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Old 09-22-2013, 01:47 AM
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I got my Kats lower rad hose heater from Amazon as well. I have not installed it yet, but my neighbor bought one and his works great. I also bought a Kats core plug heater (same element in the rad hose heater) for my Mitsubishi, and it has been working great for 2 seasons so far.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:01 AM
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I have a ZeroStart in my 85 TD. Works fine (at least the last time I used it) and fits fine. Bought it for like $8 on Ebay.
Thanks for mentioning eBay. For some reason I only turned up a couple the first time I searched, all too large. Now I just found more.

Do you remember any installation issues?
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:10 AM
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Used existing hose. Had to put dishwashing liquid on hose to get it to slide over heater. Not a big deal.
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:20 AM
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Why not a block heater in the freeze plug? Besides being more efficient, it is less of a fire hazard.
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:20 AM
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We used to install Kats heaters in MT when we couldn't get an OE version. Never had a problem unless they were plugged in in hot weather or when the coolant level was low.

I actually saved the working KATS lower hose heater from my 116 and the OE block heater from my last 126. They're probably looking for a home.
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Old 09-22-2013, 12:06 PM
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Because removing the plug is a PIA and installing a lower rad hose heater is a cinch.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:03 PM
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I ran a Kats brand in my Courier when it was still gas, and it worked fine for two years. Don't plug it in all the time, I just ran mine for about an hour or two before heading out in the morning. Best would be to have it on a timer, it also saves on electric use since those things do draw about 600w.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:35 AM
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Why not a block heater in the freeze plug? Besides being more efficient, it is less of a fire hazard.
What Kerry said, and it is lower in the system than the one in stock location. The lower, the better (more efficient).
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:38 AM
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I ran a Kats brand in my Courier when it was still gas, and it worked fine for two years. Don't plug it in all the time, I just ran mine for about an hour or two before heading out in the morning. Best would be to have it on a timer, it also saves on electric use since those things do draw about 600w.
Agreed on the timer. Just set it to go on a couple hours before you leave in the morning (or whatever time of day). I attach a cord to something so when I back up, it unplugs itself (both ends tied to something stout).
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:43 AM
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Since the Block Heater has been mentioned, here is a thread on what is involved in removing the Plug.

The Thread.

THE Definitive Block Heater Coolant Plug Removal Thread

The DIY Wikki

PeachPartsWiki: Block Heater Removal


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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/automatic transmissions)




Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

84 300SD 270K
85 300D 360K
82 Datsun Kingcab Diesel 483k
83 Nissan long bed Diesel 134K
80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 372k
78 240D $300
86 Ford 6.9 201K
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Old 09-23-2013, 10:09 AM
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What Kerry said, and it is lower in the system than the one in stock location. The lower, the better (more efficient).
Easier to install yes, more efficient as far as heating the engine, no. It is more efficient at heating the radiator and heater core though. That's why lower radiator hose heaters are twice the power of block heaters, since it has to heat the block indirectly.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:39 PM
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That's why lower radiator hose heaters are twice the power of block heaters
What's the draw from a block heater? I always thought they were about the same.
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:58 PM
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A Block heater is 400W.

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/automatic transmissions)




Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

84 300SD 270K
85 300D 360K
82 Datsun Kingcab Diesel 483k
83 Nissan long bed Diesel 134K
80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 372k
78 240D $300
86 Ford 6.9 201K
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