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Old 10-09-2013, 06:42 AM
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The question may be more about whether the engines we're using are compatible with the fuels available in 30 yrs, and whether or not we're willing to pay for that fuel!


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No, I don't think the newer diesels will last 30 years like the old ones have so far lasted, but I also don't think the old ones will last another 30 years either. Either of them might become scrap for lack of spare parts, or perhaps because some undiagnosable condition befalls them. The newer ones are at higher risk of being declared irreparable simply on the basis of the cost of the repair, whereas the older ones because a spare part is no longer available.
You can always have spare parts custom made, then it becomes a cost issue like the newer cars.
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The question may be more about whether the engines we're using are compatible with the fuels available in 30 yrs, and whether or not we're willing to pay for that fuel!
Even my 2013 TDI is compatible with biodiesel.. sort of. From what I've read, the engine can run it no problems, but the emission systems are another matter.

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You can always have spare parts custom made, then it becomes a cost issue like the newer cars.
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Actually.. that's worthy of its own thread...
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:39 AM
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Even my 2013 TDI is compatible with biodiesel.. sort of. From what I've read, the engine can run it no problems, but the emission systems are another matter.



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Actually.. that's worthy of its own thread...
I believe VW says no using anything above B5 on the TDI because of the horrible DPF system. If I keep mine long enough for the warranty to go away I'll probably remove it.
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:10 AM
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I have to admit, one of the reasons I went with the OM617 in my build was the multi-fuel capability. Will probably (hopefully) only run the occasional tank of biodiesel, but it's good to have the capability to burn other things in a pinch if needed.
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:52 AM
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I believe VW says no using anything above B5 on the TDI because of the horrible DPF system. If I keep mine long enough for the warranty to go away I'll probably remove it.
B20 is OK if you live in IL

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Old 10-10-2013, 10:22 AM
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The question may be more about whether the engines we're using are compatible with the fuels available in 30 yrs, and whether or not we're willing to pay for that fuel!
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:17 AM
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B20 is OK if you live in IL

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There's only two stations in my whole area that have Biodiesel sadly. One of them has B2, B5, and B20...B100 too but only in quantity.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:59 AM
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back to older engines versus new, I prefer cast iron blocks and heads over this new aluminum.If they have steel liners the better,but I read where liners over time slide in the block bore.I have a screen door thats aluminum with a steel rod.It too, in no time for that steel to wear thru the door.I had to mount steel hinges to keep using door,and its not pretty.
To me thats the same principal with aluminum blocks.I remember the Chevy Vegas,cute,had balls for a few miles.Perhaps they can make new blocks with jugs,like a air cooled VW,then you could rebuild your heart away.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:07 PM
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In my field of work, the industry standard is to depreciate the cost of computer equipment within 3 years. After that point, reliability goes down hill. I am talking about servers and computer equipment that runs 24/7 in a climate controlled environment. In my experience, companies keep said equipment for 6 or more years before reliability and repair cost becomes an issue. I apply the same logic to modern cars and trucks. You can tell a lot about a newer vehicle based on its manufacturer warranty. Take Hyundai for example; they offer a 10 year/100K mile warranty if you buy a new car. Probably one of the best warranties around but most people drive a minimum of 15K/yr; that leaves an owner around 7.5 years of warranty. Most warranties are less than 10 years and 100K miles. From a business perspective, one should not expect to get more out of a vehicle than it is warrantied for. The manufacturer predicts the life expectancy of the product and warranties it for less than predicted. At X years, the dealer determines that the vehicle will be uneconomical to repair at cost: so why should you keep it for longer? Most modern cars are expected to be replaced well within 10 years. My CEO leases a 7 series BMW for a term of 3 years. Why would a man lease a car that he could pay cash for without denting his bank account? Depreciation, cost to own, expected useful service time, etc? Why would you ever want to own a depreciating asset? It would be like buying stock in a falling market but the market is not going to pick up again.
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Old 10-10-2013, 11:33 PM
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I apply the same logic to modern cars and trucks. You can tell a lot about a newer vehicle based on its manufacturer warranty.
Yes, and no. Two parts may sell at different prices with the higher priced item carrying a longer warranty. Is the second item better? Or is the buyer paying for the "warranty" replacement with the initial purchase? Look carefully.

Where federal law mandates a warranty you can generally expect parts are made well enough so they will not fail within that time. But mfgr's warranties should also be considered in light of how many months a new car is financed. What person in their right mind would agree to 6 to 7 yrs of car payments if the mfgr gives a 2 yr warranty? On the flip side, I can list vehicles that have lost quality from year to year but have not seen any difference in warranty period.
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Old 10-11-2013, 12:12 AM
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61X vs 60X

Remove the cooling fan
Change out the belt(s)
Adjust the injection timing


No comparison...none at all. No thanks

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