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winmutt · #76 10-21-2013, 06:51 AM

I did some comparison shopping over at mbpartsworld.com and it looks like the majority of the engine is the same. I was surprised at the number of 603 part numbers (like the crank). The biggest difference appears to be the pistons and rods. The rods also share a 602/603/605/606 part number so they wouldnt be too hard to source.

Aquaticedge · #77 10-23-2013, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

What did the car cost you in the first place, and how much over that amount have you spent on it thus far since buying?

I think you bought a car similar to what engatwork bought - one that's been completely neglected through non-maintenance before you bought it. Nothing wrong with a "project-car," but you have to ask yourself how much time and MORE money you want to pour in it at this point.

What's it's condition, anyway? Pictures?

I paid less then 1500 for the car. put another 1500 in it roughly. no rust, interior is in excellent shape, exterior 2 dents and come clear coat coming off, wheels are new, rims could be replaced, new brakes. I have pictures, none recent. there is less then 125,000 miles on the transmission.

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

Without futzing around, the car needs a 'long-block.' BTDT......dropping a new, remanufactured LB in, cures most everything......

IF the guy needs/ed it for primary transportation, he could make an easy decision. I think he's got several cars, so this is probably an option car to keep or delete.

While I own a couple cars this is/was my primary transportation, my TD is down and needs an IP. I've sourced one but it was having issues before the IP plotzed. it's by the grace of a friend I have any transportation at all

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

Any updates ?

Nothing new to report, in the next week I have a trip I will be out on, then the car will be moved back to a long term storage solution. where, when and how is tbd.

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Originally Posted by engatwork

I've got a total of about $7k in the 05 E320 wagon now and it has turned out to be a great car that does not seem to use oil

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I'm wondering if the long block for the 95 E300 is the same as the long block in the 99 model.

This is an excellent car, I run my mom to her Dr appointments etc and it's a great and comfortable car. she likes it very well. it's easy for her to get into and out of, and the truck that can fit 3 bodies can fit her wheel chair in easily.

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Originally Posted by winmutt

I did some comparison shopping over at mbpartsworld.com and it looks like the majority of the engine is the same. I was surprised at the number of 603 part numbers (like the crank). The biggest difference appears to be the pistons and rods. The rods also share a 602/603/605/606 part number so they wouldnt be too hard to source.

Win, Do you have a rebuild list for a 60X series engine? i wonder if I should have the engine taken out of this car before I move it into storage and take it apart and see what I'm looking at.

Skid Row Joe · #78 10-23-2013, 12:35 AM

If I were intent on keeping the car for the LT (long-term) more than one year, I'd have an LB (long-block) installed - if there is such a thing aftermarket for the car. I did that numerous times with V8 American cars in my youth, once their engine went KABOOM. I can see a LB install costing $3K or more all told, off the top of my head.

There's a honey of a '98 E300TD one-owner, garaged, near perfect condition on CL locally, with less than 85K miles, with everything working on it for $4.950.00 asking.

Depends on which way you want to go. The cheapest transportation for me, was always the old car I poured money into. When I needed to have a dependable car to get to work? I had to update out of the old ones.....if I couldn't get to work, there wasn't much sense in having the old one(s).

Aquaticedge · #79 10-23-2013, 12:42 AM

Fixing this car is cheaper then a new car payment. a rebuilt engine from a reputable rebuilder would cost a fair amount. but it would solve most of the issues. I also will replace the trans computer.

ROLLGUY · #80 10-23-2013, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

There's a honey of a '98 E300TD one-owner, garaged, near perfect condition on CL locally, with less than 85K miles, with everything working on it for $4.950.00 asking.

I would be surprised if it lasts long at that price.

jay_bob · #81 10-23-2013, 01:17 PM

No doubt that is a hot price. The going rate for one of those in that represented condition is about 7-9k.

I would hold off on the trans computer until you know for a fact that it is bad. How did you determine the transmission actually downshifted, or did you just observe an rpm spike at the moment of failure?

I still maintain that the transmission controller and the engine controller talk to each other and will not allow a downshift that would kill the engine. Failing that I have to think that if somehow it did get in that situation it would have tried to save the engine by cutting the fuel supply by releasing the IP rack to minimum.

I still think you have a runaway condition caused by the engine consuming its own lube oil based on earlier statements.

Not trying to be difficult but just making sure you really get to the root cause of the problem without just throwing parts at it.

The TCM will have to be recoded to match the car, with Star DAS, it's not just a plug and play operation. I suspect this will be several hundred dollars for the part and north of a hundred to pay shop labor to do the recode.

vstech · #82 10-23-2013, 02:51 PM

the trans computer may not be at fault, the mechanical portion of the trans may have jammed, for instance, a bearing or something falling into the planetaries causing a downshift... no?

Aquaticedge · #83 10-23-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by vstech

the trans computer may not be at fault, the mechanical portion of the trans may have jammed, for instance, a bearing or something falling into the planetaries causing a downshift... no?

I hope someone can chime in on this, Transmisisons are not my strong suit.

TMAllison · #84 10-23-2013, 06:06 PM

The trans store codes as well as adaptation values that show how it has been adjusting itself internally. I'd check them. Star Diag would be best along with someone who knows how to interpret the data. SDS might pull up an engine code or two also or pending codes.

Seems to me like you need to pull the value cover and/or head and find out what happened? Timing chain tensioner, vacuum pump blew, cam broke, threw rod, trans issues, etc, etc. Could be major, or not. List is endless and to me, without pulling it apart and knowing what you have to work with, you can't know how to proceed.

Aquaticedge · #85 10-24-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TMAllison

The trans store codes as well as adaptation values that show how it has been adjusting itself internally. I'd check them. Star Diag would be best along with someone who knows how to interpret the data. SDS might pull up an engine code or two also or pending codes.

Seems to me like you need to pull the value cover and/or head and find out what happened? Timing chain tensioner, vacuum pump blew, cam broke, threw rod, trans issues, etc, etc. Could be major, or not. List is endless and to me, without pulling it apart and knowing what you have to work with, you can't know how to proceed.

Both trans and engine codes were pulled there were no pending or other faults found. this is at a shop. I've had them read this car a few times since having it. I trust what they say. the plan is to move the car to storage after a trip I have coming up while I still have the apperatus to move it. (saves on towing) I've gotten a pump for my 300TD. a thread will come soon on the joys and adventure of getting this thing up and running again.

alipak · #86 10-24-2013, 08:48 PM

Engine with 200k in Metro Dallas.

98 99 Mercedes Mercedes E Class 3 0L i6 Engine Diesel Turbo 606 962 W210 | eBay

Aquaticedge · #87 10-25-2013, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alipak

Engine with 200k in Metro Dallas.

98 99 Mercedes Mercedes E Class 3 0L i6 Engine Diesel Turbo 606 962 W210 | eBay

Saw this one.... Too high of miles for the price I think. I'd prefer an engine either with Very low miles or no miles. and I'm leaning towards no miles. there is a rebuilder near me who has a few ready to do. comes down to money and my lackthereof

jay_bob · #88 11-12-2013, 09:04 PM

Update?

Inquiring minds of fellow OM606 owners dying to know the rest of the story...