Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Diesel Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11-18-2013, 08:01 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ooltewah, TN
Posts: 707
OM602 glow plug DIY

'87 190D with 2.5 turbo has a glow plug issue I need to resolve. Is this one of the models where the glow plugs want to stick and break off into the head? Does the intake manifold have to come off and if so does it require a new gasket? Is there a good tutorial to reference?

__________________
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-18-2013, 08:03 AM
vstech's Avatar
DD MOD, HVAC,MCP,Mac,GMAC
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Mount Holly, NC
Posts: 26,843
no. other than needing to remove the intake manifold for ease of removal, the GP's are simple on this vehicle.
__________________
John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-18-2013, 08:06 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Waterloo Illinois
Posts: 1,336
I did my 92 300D 2.5 (602) without taking the intake off, take your time, its not easy.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-18-2013, 08:15 AM
jay_bob's Avatar
Control Freak
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Columbia, SC
Posts: 3,941
The OM602 and OM603 have a different head design than the notorious OM606. The glow plugs are about 1/2 as long as the OM606 plugs and normally won't be stuck.

I've done mine (and helped vstech with his) OM603 powered 300TDs. In both cases a couple plugs were stubborn and had to be worked back and forth gently a little to get them out.

As long as you are not applying gorilla torque you should be ok.

I have heard of people not removing the IM but it requires serious contortion to be able to reach around everything to get to the GPs.

The hardest part of IM removal is getting to some of the 6mm Allen head bolts. Some do not have a clear path of approach for most Allen key tools. Try to use only a flat end tool (not a ball end tool) to break torque. Once torque is broken then you can switch to a ball end.

I would also work with a helper and have them stand by with a claw tool to grab the bolt as it is coming free. It is a major pain to retrieve the bolt if you happen to drop it.

Once you have all the bolts off and the cross pipe disconnected the manifold just lifts off.

I would as a side project be prepared to clean the gunk out of the IM and bypass the EGR if you can get away with it in your location (depends on how strict your vehicle inspections are).

The other pitfall is sometimes the electrical nuts are stripped on the back of the GP and it can be a real pain to get those free. The nuts are *supposed* to be captive on the wire lugs but I have encountered broken retainers before so be prepared if the nut seems loose.

When reinstalling the plugs coat the threads with anti seize. Be gentle on the electrical nuts, they only need to be snug, otherwise you risk breaking the element inside. Also pay attention to the angle of each lug, if they are rotated too far from where they are supposed to be they can short out to the manifold and blow the fuse. Best to check this after reinstalling the manifold to be sure none are shorted.

And yes you will need to renew the manifold and cross pipe gaskets. They are not very expensive and readily available from the forum sponsor.

Speaking of parts, I would only use Beru or Bosch glow plugs.
__________________
The OM 642/722.9 powered family
Still going strong
2014 ML350 Bluetec (wife's DD)
2013 E350 Bluetec (my DD)

both my kids cars went to junkyard in 2023
2008 ML320 CDI (Older son’s DD) fatal transmission failure, water soaked/fried rear SAM, numerous other issues, just too far gone to save (165k miles)
2008 E320 Bluetec (Younger son's DD) injector failed open and diluted oil with diesel, spun main bearings (240k miles)

1998 E300DT sold to TimFreeh
1987 300TD sold to vstech
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-18-2013, 08:55 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ooltewah, TN
Posts: 707
Thanks for the guidance!

Am I missing something or does Pelican no longer offer glow plugs for this model?
__________________
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-18-2013, 08:57 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ooltewah, TN
Posts: 707
Quote:
Originally Posted by jay_bob View Post
I would as a side project be prepared to clean the gunk out of the IM and bypass the EGR.
I've done an EGR delete on an OM617. Is there a good reference thread for an OM602?
__________________
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-18-2013, 11:49 AM
Slow Attack Submarines
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 242
Be prepared to install a pressure-activated wastegate if you do... messing with the EGR on a 602 turbo will open the wastegate.
__________________
1992 300D 2.5T 249k - Parked with a bad transmission
1981 300SD 142k - Daily driver
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-18-2013, 03:43 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ooltewah, TN
Posts: 707
Quote:
Originally Posted by pleiades View Post
Be prepared to install a pressure-activated wastegate if you do... messing with the EGR on a 602 turbo will open the wastegate.
I've read that to be the case with the 2.5's in the '90-'93 124's but I didn't think that was the case for the '87 W201's with a 2.5?
__________________
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-19-2013, 07:55 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ooltewah, TN
Posts: 707
Still looking for guidance on an EGR delete.
__________________
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometime you just might find you get what you need.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-19-2013, 08:16 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 148
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walkenvol View Post
Still looking for guidance on an EGR delete.
If it's like the 87 603, it is easy enough to unplug and disable with out physically removing it. Not having looked at your model, the 603 has 2 vacuum lines, one running to the egr valve and one running to valve on the turbo that is also related to egr. If your sound like this, then remove and plug and see how she roles. If you've lost power, then put it back.

If you look at the picture below, I actually have a line running from one to the other to give it the appearance of doing something really really important.


Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page