W123 TD Anti-Sway Bar Bushings N.LA. - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Adriel · #16 11-06-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by charmalu

You do not want to resize the Bushings.

The bushings are not NLA.

Following link is for the TD Bushings 123-323-12-85
Pelican Parts - Automotive Parts and Accessories - Porsche & BMW

The following link is for the sedan Bushings 123-323-05-85
Pelican Parts - Automotive Parts and Accessories - Porsche & BMW

Which part# did you order?

Charlie

Charlie, thank you!

I never said I would! I am actually trying to avoid that by finding 25mm, NOT 20mm bushings.

Well, we have not confirmed whether Mercedes still has these. As I have learned over and over, just because it is in a catalog doesn't mean it is available. I spent too much time on the Peach, and right now working on trip planning to respond to a post...

Adriel · #17 11-06-2013, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cooljjay

I heard that, it will be interesting to know what they are when I get them.....I would have to google again but I think the only ones I could find was febi...fingers crossed they will last longer then my uro tie rod

Well, the reason I went Febi is a non-critical part like a suspension bushing and can relatively easily replace them. However, considering all the headache, not sure it was worth it...

sleepstar · #18 11-06-2013, 10:24 PM

i did the passenger side bushing on a sedan two weeks ago. it was really easy, had to remove battery + tray, used a small amount of silicone spray, and had to use a little bit of brute force to hold the bracket over the studs to get the nuts on. maybe a 2/10 on the scale of difficulty and time.

have to do the driver side soon but i attempted the workaround of not removing the booster and stripped the top nut, so now the booster has to come out

Adriel · #19 11-06-2013, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepstar

i did the passenger side bushing on a sedan two weeks ago. it was really easy, had to remove battery + tray, used a small amount of silicone spray, and had to use a little bit of brute force to hold the bracket over the studs to get the nuts on. maybe a 2/10 on the scale of difficulty and time.

have to do the driver side soon but i attempted the workaround of not removing the booster and stripped the top nut, so now the booster has to come out

But, the master cylinder doesn't!

Adriel · #20 11-08-2013, 09:00 PM

Seeing two threads saying best to be safe and purchase Mercedes parts rather than aftermarket especially if a good example, I contacted Tom Hanson and ordered a set of anti-sway bar bushings. Hopefully they will be the right size!

As for price, just since May has gone from $27 to $36, so the 10 percent discount helped a tad. Said should be here on Wednesday.

DeliveryValve · #21 11-08-2013, 09:17 PM

Post some pictures of the differences... And get some measurements also...

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Adriel · #22 11-08-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeliveryValve

Post some pictures of the differences... And get some measurements also...

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Oh yes I will! Especially because my friend who I get my parts from says 21mm is the only sway bar size available and I have two aftermarket anti-sway bars!

Adriel · #23 11-13-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeliveryValve

I purchased my TD bushings 123 323 12 85 from the Classic Center at $27 per side.

Other part houses list them under 4 bucks for after market.

Here are pics of the difference. The 8 holed bushing is the Sedan/Coupe 24mm bushing - 123 323 05 85. The 4 holed bushing is the Wagon 25mm bushing. 123 323 12 85.

In this pic, I found a used (still good), 24mm bushing fits a 25mm swaybar just fine.
Compared to the correct 25mm bushing on the 25mm swaybar.

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Can you please measure this "correct" bushing? Looking at it and how the one I received fits, now looking at it again, appears very clearly to be a 21mm bushing.

The reason I ask is because I paid the mega dollars for the 123 323 12 85, which is stamped right into it, and it clearly measures 21mm. This is very upsetting, as in the week I have been trusting this information, could have cast my own bushings!

Tom Hanson is looking into this, but unless someone comes up with a current set of 25mm four hole anti-sway bar bushings, the following is true:
W123 25mm four hole anti-sway bar bushings, part number 123 323 12 85 are no longer available.

Adriel · #24 11-13-2013, 03:06 PM

I am so upset, I forgot the picture...

I can also get one of the Febi/SWAG bushings if needed.

DeliveryValve · #25 11-13-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Adriel

Can you please measure this "correct" bushing? Looking at it and how the one I received fits, now looking at it again, appears very clearly to be a 21mm bushing.

The reason I ask is because I paid the mega dollars for the 123 323 12 85, which is stamped right into it, and it clearly measures 21mm. This is very upsetting, as in the week I have been trusting this information, could have cast my own bushings!

Tom Hanson is looking into this, but unless someone comes up with a current set of 25mm four hole anti-sway bar bushings, the following is true:
W123 25mm four hole anti-sway bar bushings, part number 123 323 12 85 are no longer available.

At this point I cannot measure the bushing. All I know I had no issues installing this bushing. If I measure it now, it would measure 25mm.
I never measured the inner diameter of the bushings before I installed them. But it was definitely small than 25mm.

I am not so sure why you would be upset, in my earlier post, I was trying to encourage you to install the Febi bushings. Charlie stated he had success installing an aftermarket bushing and it fitted exactly like my posted picture.

I stated I purchased the OE bushing because of noise issues a few years down the road.

Why don't you try to install them? Or just return them if you are not happy?

DeliveryValve · #26 11-13-2013, 03:31 PM

If you are comparing to the old bushings,

The old bushings definitely look to be stretched. Earlier, I was trying to convey that a used pair of bushings for a 24mm bar fits the 25mm bar because it was used and stretched.

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Adriel · #27 11-13-2013, 10:20 PM

Thank you so very much for the reply!

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Originally Posted by DeliveryValve

At this point I cannot measure the bushing. All I know I had no issues installing this bushing. If I measure it now, it would measure 25mm.

Interesting! So then, I have two special option anti-sway bars then? The Peach said stock wagen is 25mm...

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Originally Posted by DeliveryValve

I never measured the inner diameter of the bushings before I installed them. But it was definitely small than 25mm.

If less than 25mm, they were not correct, despite how many times it is said, unless the Peach is wrong. Now 24mm is not correct, but would fit a lot better than 21mm!

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Originally Posted by DeliveryValve

I am not so sure why you would be upset, in my earlier post, I was trying to encourage you to install the Febi bushings. Charlie stated he had success installing an aftermarket bushing and it fitted exactly like my posted picture.

I am upset because I ordered Mercedes bushings believing they would fit, per the advice I got and my own understanding that Mercedes meant quality, which I now know no longer does. Do you need a video to prove neither Febi/SWAG or Mercedes will fit the two bars I have?

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Originally Posted by DeliveryValve

I stated I purchased the OE bushing because of noise issues a few years down the road.

To which I want to avoid. Another reason I was hoping not to have to cast my own.

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Originally Posted by DeliveryValve

Why don't you try to install them? Or just return them if you are not happy?

I did install the bushing. However, the bracket would not fully seat and ended up binding against the stud, which then became a pain to remove the bracket.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeliveryValve

If you are comparing to the old bushings,

The old bushings definitely look to be stretched. Earlier, I was trying to convey that a used pair of bushings for a 24mm bar fits the 25mm bar because it was used and stretched. .

Yes, they are damaged. However, I used a 24mm wrench not to measure the bushing, but both anti-sway bars, and the wrench wouldn't fit, as about one millimeter too small.

DeliveryValve · #28 11-13-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Adriel

Thank you so very much for the reply!

Interesting! So then, I have two special option anti-sway bars then? The Peach said stock wagen is 25mm...

If less than 25mm, they were not correct, despite how many times it is said, unless the Peach is wrong. Now 24mm is not correct, but would fit a lot better than 21mm!

I am upset because I ordered Mercedes bushings believing they would fit, per the advice I got and my own understanding that Mercedes meant quality, which I now know no longer does. Do you need a video to prove neither Febi/SWAG or Mercedes will fit the two bars I have?

To which I want to avoid. Another reason I was hoping not to have to cast my own.

I did install the bushing. However, the bracket would not fully seat and ended up binding against the stud, which then became a pain to remove the bracket.

Yes, they are damaged. However, I used a 24mm wrench not to measure the bushing, but both anti-sway bars, and the wrench wouldn't fit, as about one millimeter too small.

Wow, I'm I being yeld at?

Sure a video would help. Maybe there is an issue with the install procedure.

Also regarding the cap binding, as I stated earlier, heating up the bushing would help.

Adriel · #29 11-13-2013, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeliveryValve

Wow, I'm I being yeld at?

Sure a video would help. Maybe there is an issue with the install procedure.

Also regarding the cap binding, as I stated earlier, heating up the bushing would help.

I think the text is too small to read, as a lot of it is being missed. I never intend to yell, which would be using all capitalization.

Adriel · #30 11-14-2013, 12:08 AM

Got to love technology! Tried loading the video on YouTube using Windows, but crashed. Grabbed the Macintosh which I find way more stable, and apparently the camera is too old for it to recognize it!

Having a lot of issues with the video, so going to do another that isn't 10 minutes long. Sorry about the wait!