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Old 11-14-2013, 12:29 AM
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Rear Seat Back Horse Hair Pad

I`ll bet most of the W123`s on this Forum or any other forum, have rotted out Horse Hair Pads on the rear seat back rest..

Looking at World Upholstery or GAHH, they only show pads for the front seats.

My 80 240D rear seat back if about totally gone, and under the seat it looks like burnt toast all crumbled up.
The only place to find a good used seat is in PNP, and only if that vehicle had been garaged most of it`s life, then the Horse hair is in reasonable condition.
Even if the MB Tex is in great looking condition, usually the cloth fabric is ripping along the bottom edge.


Well I found a good looking rear seat back rest, I think out of a 84 300D at PNP. But is a sort of light sand color, and I have I believe Bamboo. Of course the tuck n roll is different, more padded and a few more rolls I believe, and the 240 is a little flatter. Iam not going to Pebble anytime soon to the Concourse car Show. so maybe before I do, I can source the proper seat.

I finally got the seat all scrubbed up and good looking, the Horse hair is still in relative good condition. I found a couple stickers inside the seat on the pad and seat frame, and Googled one of them to see what came up.
123-920-2416, and it is the rear seat pad, still available from the dealer, but for a price. Click on the link, and there is a list of most of the pieces available.

The rear pad is $368.00.
REAR SEAT CUSHION,REAR BACKREST. Fits: Mercedes | Mercedes-Benz of South Atlanta

Be sure to be sitting down when you see the price for the rear seat bottom springs.

I checked with our local dealer for the wholesale price for the pad, $294.00

http://www.partswebsite.com/benzpartswholesale/oemparts/mercedes-benz-137/1239202416.html


Charlie

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Old 11-14-2013, 12:34 AM
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If you are interested in dyeing your seats, check out a company called Color Plus in Milford, Pa. One quart of dye will dye both the front and rear seats. I dyed the seats in my 300CD using a soft bristle artist brush and they came out beautiful. Very durable also. No brush marks at all.
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Old 11-14-2013, 02:26 AM
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My back seat is tex-on-springs at this point....there is no good horsehair left (and somewhere there's probably a very cold horse). I have been trying to figure out what I can substitute for padding because all the estimates I've seen for the horsehair pads has been so outrageous. I wonder if the W123 pads fit the W115....I looked into replacing the entire seat, but it's too wide.
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Old 11-14-2013, 03:49 AM
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I would have to go out and check again....but I believe my back seat pad is foam....if I remember correctly I replaced all my horse hair pads with foam except one seat back which I had to go with rubberized horse hair....the trick is when going to pnp look for a w123 that has leather interior....the pads are always foam in my experience.....but since I had untreated horse hair pads originally, like the op said.....my cloth to hold the skins to the frames rotted...
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Old 11-14-2013, 10:04 AM
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The horse hair in mine had rotted and the cloth was tearing on one side. I took it to a local upholstery place. They replaced the hair with foam and replaced the tearing cloth with some cloth he had around. Looks and feels great. Won't have to worry about what looks like a rodent nest falling out of my seat.

This is the most expensive thing I have paid to have done to my car. It was $125. The next would be lower ball joints press and then alignment.
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:37 PM
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While doing some gas line inspection, I saw what might be a good substitute for the horsehair pad. Its used to protect underground gas pipelines from rock.
Tuff-N-Nuff Rock Shield by Greenstreak protects pipelines
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Old 11-14-2013, 06:47 PM
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While doing some gas line inspection, I saw what might be a good substitute for the horsehair pad. Its used to protect underground gas pipelines from rock.
Tuff-N-Nuff Rock Shield by Greenstreak protects pipelines
That stuff is giving me all sorts of ideas. Where can the average Joe buy it and how much does it cost?
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That stuff is giving me all sorts of ideas. Where can the average Joe buy it and how much does it cost?
That is never a good thing
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That is never a good thing
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Seriously, though, I was liking his suggested use and in addition wondering how it would do as noise insulation in our loud Corolla. I could also use it as protection if I ever roll the car up to a structure to help hold it in place while doing something. A few layer of it would probably make for a nice kneeling mat. It might make lying on the ground under the car a WHOLE lot more comfortable while keeping me off of a creeper. And the list goes on.
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Old 11-15-2013, 02:29 AM
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I`ll bet most of the W123`s on this Forum or any other forum, have rotted out Horse Hair Pads on the rear seat back rest..

Looking at World Upholstery or GAHH, they only show pads for the front seats.

My 80 240D rear seat back if about totally gone, and under the seat it looks like burnt toast all crumbled up.
The only place to find a good used seat is in PNP, and only if that vehicle had been garaged most of it`s life, then the Horse hair is in reasonable condition.
Even if the MB Tex is in great looking condition, usually the cloth fabric is ripping along the bottom edge.


Well I found a good looking rear seat back rest, I think out of a 84 300D at PNP. But is a sort of light sand color, and I have I believe Bamboo. Of course the tuck n roll is different, more padded and a few more rolls I believe, and the 240 is a little flatter. Iam not going to Pebble anytime soon to the Concourse car Show. so maybe before I do, I can source the proper seat.

I finally got the seat all scrubbed up and good looking, the Horse hair is still in relative good condition. I found a couple stickers inside the seat on the pad and seat frame, and Googled one of them to see what came up.
123-920-2416, and it is the rear seat pad, still available from the dealer, but for a price. Click on the link, and there is a list of most of the pieces available.

The rear pad is $368.00.
REAR SEAT CUSHION,REAR BACKREST. Fits: Mercedes | Mercedes-Benz of South Atlanta

Be sure to be sitting down when you see the price for the rear seat bottom springs.

I checked with our local dealer for the wholesale price for the pad, $294.00

http://www.partswebsite.com/benzpartswholesale/oemparts/mercedes-benz-137/1239202416.html


Charlie
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IMO it is silly paying that price.
Check with your local upholstery shop, most can make new padding for the base or back.

Wifes W116 280SE rear seat was critical = only frame and skins + crumbs/dust.
Base and Back restitched, cotton edge replaced + new padding, assembled back on the frames, the TOTAL = $350.00 USD.
I will try to get pictures in the next week.
He has done rear seats on W126 and earlier chassis for the same cost.
Price changes if the skins are damaged or shredded, but he can make OE quality or presentable daily driver replacements (you decide which).
If you need contact data send me a PM.

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Old 11-15-2013, 03:59 AM
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Thank you Roy for the info. I posted this mainly because I have not seen the rear seat pads before, only the fronts, and they all are pricy. I don`t plan on buying one unless we win the Lottery.

My wife and I did talk about maybe building up a seat with foam, I know some of these shops do incredable work.

Iam going to install this seat out of an 84 300D. the back pad is just starting to show signs of dryness. I got this brilliant idea of spraying with some of this 8090 3M spray adhesive. then leave the seat out in the warm sun for a few days (good weather the next 10 days or so) to flash off the solvents. thought something like that might hold it together. sure holds on the Hood Pads.
Seat only cost me about $20, so if it doesn`t work, back to PNP for another hunt and adventure.

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

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Old 11-15-2013, 01:30 PM
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you can restore the horse hair pads. look at my seat refurbishment in the SL forum. Use lots of rubberizing spray and glue some padding to fill in the lost areas. I really made my crumbling seat pads seem like new. the rear seat sl pads are 250$ each. Ouch. I spent about 75$ restoring all of my pads. I removed them from the springs first then rubberized them to heck. Then add a thin layer of foam over the top after filling the uneven coconut areas with padding.

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