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Old 12-27-2013, 10:48 PM
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Value of a high mileage CDI

I am having such a bad luck buying a diesel MB, I though I had a 99 E300 locked and now the owner has gone silent on me
So as my search continues, yesterday I stumbled upon a 2005 CDI with 196K miles which seems like a ton of miles for the year model.
Anyway, while I don't trust KBB, it says $10,7K which is very close to what the owner wants. I am tempted to offer $8K for it but even at that price I keep asking myself if it would make more sense to get a OM606 w210 with 50K less miles for a thousand or so less dollars.
The way my wife and I drive the family car, it never sees 5K miles a year.
I want a diesel simply because I love diesels, not for fuel economy. We currently drive an 07 Nissan Sentra so fuel economy would be about the same.

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Old 12-27-2013, 10:54 PM
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the CDI should have more horsepower, and better fuel economy, better structure, and be a better overall car. I'm not familiar with the longevity of the CDI's but Diesel's in general seem to handle large mileage well. I think if you can get the dollars down around 8K you will be better off with the 211, vs the 210, as AGE wears many parts of a car much more than mileage does. especially if the car was well maintained.
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Old 12-27-2013, 11:00 PM
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I am having such a bad luck buying a diesel MB, I though I had a 99 E300 locked and now the owner has gone silent on me
So as my search continues, yesterday I stumbled upon a 2005 CDI with 196K miles which seems like a ton of miles for the year model.
Anyway, while I don't trust KBB, it says $10,7K which is very close to what the owner wants. I am tempted to offer $8K for it but even at that price I keep asking myself if it would make more sense to get a OM606 w210 with 50K less miles for a thousand or so less dollars.
The way my wife and I drive the family car, it never sees 5K miles a year.
I want a diesel simply because I love diesels, not for fuel economy. We currently drive an 07 Nissan Sentra so fuel economy would be about the same.

Thanks for your input
The CDI is a great car, if you want a diesel-engine used car.

I would buy the newer CDI, versus the W210 diesel - as to answering the question you asked.
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Old 12-28-2013, 07:45 AM
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the CDI should have more horsepower, and better fuel economy, better structure, and be a better overall car. I'm not familiar with the longevity of the CDI's but Diesel's in general seem to handle large mileage well. I think if you can get the dollars down around 8K you will be better off with the 211, vs the 210, as AGE wears many parts of a car much more than mileage does. especially if the car was well maintained.
I agree. if its a well maintained car with everything working I would not hesitate to buy one. I cannot comment about the price except to say that many folks will not even look at a car with 200K on it so if you're a buyer you can negotiate successfully.
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Old 12-28-2013, 01:25 PM
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Well, the owner says it was dealer maintained. I have submitted my offer so now we wait and see what happens. I agree, the market for a 200K mile diesel car must be narrow.
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Old 12-28-2013, 08:39 PM
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For comparision there is an 05 E class CDI listed for sale within a couple hundred miles with 155k miles. It is at a new car dealer listed for $13,900.
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Someone linked to a CDI a few weeks ago that had 430,000+ miles on it. I would say that 200,000 in such a short time is actually good -- that would seem to show mostly highway miles on it.
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For comparision there is an 05 E class CDI listed for sale within a couple hundred miles with 155k miles. It is at a new car dealer listed for $13,900.
For comparison to that, there was a one-owner 05 E Class CDI listed for sale in B'Ham with 59K miles @ a new BMW dealer for $17,900. It had a squeaky clean Carfax, with a complete maintenance schedule. That's 96K fewer miles for only $4,000. It SOLD inside 2 days.

In terms of miles, to many of us the low miled CDIs even with a higher price that come with both a verifiable Carfax and VMI, @ a new car dealer are the real values. Especially if you plan to rack up a lot of miles yourself on it.

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This one puts the price of a 200K mile car in perspective - 2005 E320 CDI MERCEDES-BENZ DIESEL

$12K should buy a patient shopper a 150K mile car. Have you driven good examples of a 98-99 E300 and E320 CDI to determine whether the 210 is good enough or the 211 is a must have? Or are you after a bargain regardless of what you end up with?

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Old 12-28-2013, 11:37 PM
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I always avoid buying used cars at new car dealerships... or car dealerships period. IMHO best prices are on the street (private owner) as long you have a clue as to what your buying.
There is an 05 CDi by me with the following:
2005 Mercedes-Benz E320 CDI Sedan odometer: 95600
2005 Mercedes E320 CDI Turbo Diesel Sedan Silver with Gray Leather Int. 95k miles

CARFAX Certified (NO ACCIDENTS, FLOOD or SALVAGE HISTORRY) Drives 100% NEW TIRES and BRAKES, Needs Nothing Except a new place to call home, This Car get very good on Diesel gets 40 MPG

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I just don't want to spend that kind of money right now. Half the miles of the one I inquired about but is it twice the car?
I personally won't be racking up many miles a year. As I said before, I'd be lucky to put 5k miles a year on the car. I do most of my driving with my Toyota Tundra and my wife drops an picks up the kids from school 1.5 miles both ways plus shopping and other errands. My thinking is I buy a used "cheap" MB diesel an keep it for a year or two. If the wife likes it enough (which I am thinking she will) then I buy a newer model with low miles and keep it till it dies.
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Well, the owner says it was dealer maintained. I have submitted my offer so now we wait and see what happens. I agree, the market for a 200K mile diesel car must be narrow.
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The market for a 200k mile Mercedes Diesel is a bit wider than a 200k Chevy or Honda. From what I've seen people dont seem to have much trouble selling them even with hyper miles. I agree with the prior posters, the w211 is better in every way over the w210.

I bought my 06 cdi with 166k on the clock and it just turned over 212k last night - so I'm closing in on 50k miles of ownership experience with a higher-mileage example. So far mine has been the most trouble-free Mercedes I've ever owned, and my ownership history of Mercedes products is over 30 years and counting.
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I am not as familiar with the newer diesels, but would be reluctant to buy a diesel that had low miles on it. Average to higher than average miles, with proper maintenance, would actually make me feel better about the car. So much of what goes wrong on these cars comes from neglect (sediment in the fuel system, algae, etc) or from age (rotting hoses, etc) rather than from mechanical wear.
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The market for a 200k mile Mercedes Diesel is a bit wider than a 200k Chevy or Honda. From what I've seen people dont seem to have much trouble selling them even with hyper miles. I agree with the prior posters, the w211 is better in every way over the w210.

I bought my 06 cdi with 166k on the clock and it just turned over 212k last night - so I'm closing in on 50k miles of ownership experience with a higher-mileage example. So far mine has been the most trouble-free Mercedes I've ever owned, and my ownership history of Mercedes products is over 30 years and counting.
Thanks Tim, thats what I was looking forward to hearing, first hand experience with a higher mileage CDI.
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The market for a 200k mile Mercedes Diesel is a bit wider than a 200k Chevy or Honda. From what I've seen people dont seem to have much trouble selling them even with hyper miles. I agree with the prior posters, the w211 is better in every way over the w210.

I bought my 06 cdi with 166k on the clock and it just turned over 212k last night - so I'm closing in on 50k miles of ownership experience with a higher-mileage example. So far mine has been the most trouble-free Mercedes I've ever owned, and my ownership history of Mercedes products is over 30 years and counting.
If a high-mileage clock car is priced low enough it will always sell to someone. Many used buyers are confined to plugging in their budget, rather than scrutinize miles on a car. When they happen on a low-priced high-mileage car, to them it looks like a bargain. Which it may or may not be.

The last two cars I sold with mega-miles on them were cases of buyers that had to sweat getting loans for really low-priced (sub $5K)cars 14 and 16 years old. On my 300SD (305K) miles, the buyer was more concerned with getting a loan, than miles on the low-priced car. ie, he couldn't afford the same model with low miles, so he was eager to buy it. The 14 year old car had 269K miles.

One thing that is hard on parts of a car is the starting and stopping, or short time cycles of it's engine running. Time and high-miles will inevitably catch up to any car with mega-miles on them, requiring parts replacement and repair. No way around that.
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.....The last two cars I sold with mega-miles on them were cases of buyers that had to sweat getting loans for really low-priced (sub $5K)cars 14 and 16 years old. On my 300SD (305K) miles, the buyer was more concerned with getting a loan, than miles on the low-priced car. ie, he couldn't afford the same model with low miles, so he was eager to buy it. The 14 year old car had 269K miles.

One thing that is hard on parts of a car is the starting and stopping, or short time cycles of it's engine running. Time and high-miles will inevitably catch up to any car with mega-miles on them, requiring parts replacement and repair. No way around that.
I'm amazed to hear that apparently financing is available for a 14 to 16 year old car? Wow. That's almost more amazing than the thought of someone wanting to finance a 300K mile Mercedes that is 14 to 16 years old!! I wonder if leasing a 14 year old 300K mile Mercedes would be a possible way to lower the cost of the ownership experience?

Anybody that is considering entering the universe of owning a Mercedes with multiple hundreds of thousands of miles on the clock, and has decided that financing such a purchase is a sound financial decision, should carefully read your second paragraph above...... and look into the financing options that are available for repairs when their financed car breaks.

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