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pawoSD 01-08-2014 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by funola (Post 3267690)
Many mention wind chill along with low temps. Does wind chill add to the low temps and make the engine harder to start? Doesn't wind chill just cool a warm engine down to ambient quicker than no wind?

Just cools it off quicker, the engine will never be below the stated air temp. Windchill is a human thing. :D

Quahog 01-08-2014 08:02 AM

AW YISS!
 
as I understand it, wind chill is a 'feels like' temperature used by weatherpeople to jazz up their reports. It is a real effect on exposed skin, but not so much for vehicles.

8 degrees in Newport RI this morning and the 300D fired right up first time after the glow light went out.

over the last period of 40* weather, I changed air filter, the oil to T6 5w40, adjusted the valves (uniformly 0.05 mm tight to start with), and cleaned off glow plugs.

I managed to drop a bunch of the harness retaining nuts into the dirt, but happily discovered that they are the same as that which hold the power anntena to the body. Still 1 short, but there appears to be enough contact to get the job done;)

funola 01-08-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkman (Post 3267615)
My handles are frozen. I have lots of bicycle inner tubes waiting for a patch & ill try your mod. Getting into the 40s tomorrow.:D

Let me know if it works.:cool:

funola 01-08-2014 12:22 PM

My 85 300D did not start again this morning at 9F and acted exactly the same as yesterday. If I plug in the block heater for an hour it will start. So it's either gelled fuel (most likely) or injector nozzles need servicing. Here's the video from yesterday (took 24 hours before it showed up in photobucket). I have not serviced the glow plugs or injectors since buying the car. It did have a bad case of algae which I took care of with Startron and multiple cleaning of the primary filter.

CLICK TO PLAY!
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...107_101158.jpg

oldsinner111 01-08-2014 12:26 PM

mine started at minus 2 with no block heater.However I add two gallon regular to a full tank diesel

uberwasser 01-08-2014 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by funola (Post 3267932)
My 85 300D did not start again this morning at 9F and acted exactly the same as yesterday. If I plug in the block heater for an hour it will start. So it's either gelled fuel (most likely) or injector nozzles need servicing. Here's the video from yesterday (took 24 hours before it showed up in photobucket). I have not serviced the glow plugs or injectors since buying the car. It did have a bad case of algae which I took care of with Startron and multiple cleaning of the primary filter.

CLICK TO PLAY!
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...107_101158.jpg

Sounds similar to mine when a tank of B99 gelled up on me at a whopping 34°F.

However in my case the block heater didn't help at all as the fuel was gelled all the way back to the tank and inside the tank. That and also, once the fuel is gelled, it needs to get all the way back to near it's pour point before it will un-gel.

Yours might just be "cloudy" and beginning to crystalize so it's easier to get it flowing again. Just a thought.

Junkman 01-08-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD (Post 3267799)
Just cools it off quicker, the engine will never be below the stated air temp. Windchill is a human thing. :D

I grew up in Chicago. Mom didn't have a car and wasn't paying for a bus ride. We didn't have no stinking wind chill, just jumped in the coat, boots, hat, scarf, gloves & headed out - 2mi to school and better not be late.

The SD wasn't close to being born.

eatont9999 01-08-2014 05:09 PM

It was about 14F outside the other morning. The newer, champagne car has been my driver lately, so I decided to crank her up. She sure does get btchy when it gets cold out! She started on the third crank and cycle of the plugs. First time was a 15 second glow and I kind of figured she would not start. Second time, I gave her a little throttle and a 30 second glow. Third time, I gave 30 second glow and full throttle. I had to hold the starter until the engine came up to idle speed. Man, she was smoky and btchy for a few seconds.

All new glow plugs, battery of unknown age but looks recent. standard 15-w40 dino oil and whatever Diesel fuel came out of the station my last visit.

bsmuwk 01-08-2014 09:04 PM

Think it got down to -20 around me here in Chicago monday night (bit late to the party here)

Had to go and drive out to go start my grandpa's 500k mile 300SD. Had a gallon of regular gas to the whole tank of diesel and it runs this during the coldest parts of winter. All I did was bring the battery into the house for it to thaw a bit, brought it back out, damn thing fired right up without a hesitation, burble or anything. Smoked for a few seconds and cleared herself right up. Synthetic oil sure seems to do wonders for this all original block. Block heater wasn't plugged in either.


My OM603 had the same story, except I use that power service anti-gel/cetane booster and didn't care enough to bring the battery inside. Just let the damn thing glow the 30 seconds it wants and it fires up like it's July.

Seems my diesels are in love with the cold. The powerstroke and duramax neighbors were strugglin.

zorecati 01-10-2014 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bsmuwk (Post 3268261)
Think it got down to -20 around me here in Chicago monday night (bit late to the party here)

Had to go and drive out to go start my grandpa's 500k mile 300SD. Had a gallon of regular gas to the whole tank of diesel and it runs this during the coldest parts of winter. All I did was bring the battery into the house for it to thaw a bit, brought it back out, damn thing fired right up without a hesitation, burble or anything. Smoked for a few seconds and cleared herself right up. Synthetic oil sure seems to do wonders for this all original block. Block heater wasn't plugged in either.


My OM603 had the same story, except I use that power service anti-gel/cetane booster and didn't care enough to bring the battery inside. Just let the damn thing glow the 30 seconds it wants and it fires up like it's July.

Seems my diesels are in love with the cold. The powerstroke and duramax neighbors were strugglin.

If my commute consists of bringing a battery inside, I'm staying home. The 603, with good glow plugs and properly treated diesel (from the gas station), should start right up.

Skippy 01-10-2014 06:04 AM

My 300D doesn't have a block heater. It's started down into the teens with just me waiting for the GP light to go out and then waiting a few more seconds. I haven't tried starting it in colder conditions. I run Rotella 5W-40.

I used to have a 240D with considerably lower miles, but with loop plugs and a sketchy maintenance history. It would start easily and have instant heat regardless of ambient temperature with a few hours of the block heater being used. Without the block heater, it would still start but was an ordeal at anything much below freezing.

Before that I had an old (1986) Lincoln Town Car that started the same at -14 and +95.

I also have an '07 Kawasaki Ninja 650. It's a bit sluggish and slow to start below freezing, but it's never not started on me. One could argue that if a motorcycle is getting hard to start, then one shouldn't be riding one. I've ridden down into the 20's. It's cold, but it's doable with the right gear. I use Rotella 5W-40 when I change my own oil, but last service they put 10W-40 Yamalube, just in time for freezing weather. It still starts.

gatorblue92 01-10-2014 09:32 AM

I haven't tried to start my 240D at all this winter. Too much salt on the roads to drive it here. My 280E fired right up when it was 4 degrees outside. Something must be wrong with me since I prefer to drive a 30+ year old Mercedes over a brand new CR-V :D

Junkman 01-10-2014 02:29 PM

I'll change to lighter oil this weekend. Other than that, I'll have to drive something else if it won't start. Just gotta make it to March & the weather breaks - then we can start with the AC threads.


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