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Old 01-22-2014, 05:44 PM
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Not dissing EVs or owners but I have seen a few problems with the EV or hybrid drivers.

1 - when I worked in toyota about every month there would be a Prius on a tow truck rolling in just to find out it had run out of gas - apparently the owners thought it never takes gas.

2 Same cars also had some really nasty oil change issues - as the same owners thought it did not have an engine in it.

3 - They constantly try to preach me about how bad my diesel is to the environment, I literally want to get me a 1.6VW rabbit - up the fuelling, point the exhaust to them and let the black genie surround their stupid car.

4 - They are known to damage the cords at the Nissan dealership near my house (wife's car has free oil change etc, and every single time I go there the port is being repaired because someone forgot to remove the plug from their "LEAF" before driving off.
To be fair, lots of people run out of gas. Plenty of people never change their oil on their gas or diesel cars. Opinions are like a**holes. And I've seen a fair number of people drive off with the pump still in their fuel fill.

So, people will be people.

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Old 01-23-2014, 12:15 AM
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new battery
new glow plugs
5/40 oil
no start
she wants to
but tilly is to cold
^^ the remark about the valves. How many miles on this car?

Did you add kerosene or PowerService to the fuel?

How old are the fuel filters?
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Old 01-23-2014, 11:33 AM
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To be fair, lots of people run out of gas. Plenty of people never change their oil on their gas or diesel cars. Opinions are like a**holes. And I've seen a fair number of people drive off with the pump still in their fuel fill.

So, people will be people.
so its perfectly normal for a person to ask "why does my car take gas, its electric"..

same people later on - oil change? my car has a motor? - its electric fer cryin out loud.

funny bit - the oil change was free too.

the EV and hybrid is confusing them.
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:36 PM
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What type of battery do you have? CCA must be 855 or higher...

Have you upgraded your battery cables to a larger gauge?

A worn out starter will also cause starts to be harder

Ever clean your ground points? Trans to chassis?

Again Valves adjusted? New fuel filters? Tank ever drained and cleaned?
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:40 PM
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new battery
new glow plugs
5/40 oil
no start
she wants to
but tilly is to cold
now will the 1986 vw vanagon start.
hmmm

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Have you recently check compression? Have you confirmed that the glow plugs are working? Just because they are new doesn't mean they are doing the job. Did you ream out the glow plug holes?
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:46 PM
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Anyone figuring out how to start their car after an 8 hour work day with no plugin? Im on this boat right now with a ice cube for a car outside my building.

its only 20 degrees out right now with full sun but still no luck today.

new battery on the way and an even longer extension cord to sneak a plug-in on the maintenance outlet of our buildings condensers.

will have to do a valve adjustment and double check for any dead glow plugs since this is the first year i ever had startup issues in the winter after 5 years of owning the car.

cheers!
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:51 PM
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Anyone figuring out how to start their car after an 8 hour work day with no plugin? Im on this boat right now with a ice cube for a car outside my building.

its only 20 degrees out right now with full sun but still no luck today.

new battery on the way and an even longer extension cord to sneak a plug-in on the maintenance outlet of our buildings condensers.

will have to do a valve adjustment and double check for any dead glow plugs since this is the first year i ever had startup issues in the winter after 5 years of owning the car.

cheers!
Which car are we talking about here?

I know my OM602 powered W124 nearly refused to start with a bad glow plug. It took like 30+ seconds of cranking. I had them replaced last winter.

Now.. I can start the car.. without being plugged in...with normal glow cycle length...down to (so far) -15F.
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Which car are we talking about here?

I know my OM602 powered W124 nearly refused to start with a bad glow plug. It took like 30+ seconds of cranking. I had them replaced last winter.

Now.. I can start the car.. without being plugged in...with normal glow cycle length...down to (so far) -15F.
85 SD. im suspecting battery first since my crank sounds pretty weak. i dont think i could even make it to 30 seconds of cranking.
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not sure what my problem is here.
12° no start still.
i have a turbo .
so i have to remove the air cleaner to see if i have a block heater port there?



1982 300d 150k
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Old 01-24-2014, 08:50 AM
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My solution to cold day at work is starting it at lunch
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not sure what my problem is here.
12° no start still.
i have a turbo .
so i have to remove the air cleaner to see if i have a block heater port there?



1982 300d 150k
new battery
new GPs
Lighter 5/50 oil
all new filter fuel / oil
are the GPs working? id be checking their operation. Maybe they aren't getting power. Check the fuse on the GP relay, power, ect.

Was it running immediately before and in use? or was any other work performed and it isnt starting after that as well?

I ask because its possible the engine is airlocked if the filter was just changed, or your diesel could be gelled up ect
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Old 01-24-2014, 11:06 AM
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85 SD. im suspecting battery first since my crank sounds pretty weak. i dont think i could even make it to 30 seconds of cranking.
If the first crank is weak then your battery is toast/underrated or your starter is long due for replacement.

20F should be easy starting. I'm not even having issues lately and right now it is TWO degrees outside.
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Odd. I replaced the glow plugs in my 87 603 over the summer and it starts the exact same whether it be 4f out or 94f out. I don't do anything extra with glow timing either.
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Old 01-24-2014, 04:34 PM
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1982 300d 150k
new battery
new GPs
Lighter 5/50 oil
all new filter fuel / oil
Apologies if I am retreading old questions, I think you had another thread earlier on this, but we need to be sure all the bases are covered here....

Can you please answer:
1 - when you replaced the fuel filters, did you fill the new spin-on (large) filter with diesel or ATF when you installed it?
2 - did you then use the hand primer pump to evacuate air from the system?
3 - assuming you used the primer pump, did it feel like you were pumping something or did it feel like it was pushing air? Did you pump until you could hear pressure escaping out the relief valve on the injection pump (a sort of farting sound)? (Some cars seem to be worse than others for getting the air out... my 300d is bad, takes up to 50 pump strokes.)
4 - the primer pump: is it the newer type with the black button, or the old white-top type that has to be unscrewed in order to pump?
5 - When you try to start, can you smell diesel coming out the tailpipe and/or is there some cloudy stuff coming out (which will be unburned diesel)?
6 - have the valves been adjusted recently (as in last 12,000 miles)?
7 - have you checked that the glowplugs are actually getting power when the dashboard light is illuminated? (Using a test light or voltage meter.) Can you hear the glow relay click on when you turn the key and the light illuminates?
8 - how does the starter sound, relative to how it sounded in warmer weather? Is it "groaning" and turning slowly? It is normal that it may be turning slower, in the cold, but it still sound like it is spinning, not lurching over (for lack of a better description).
9 - I asked before if you had added kerosene or PowerService additive to the fuel, to raise the cetane for starting (and disperse water, in the case of the PS product).
10 - the new battery: is it the correct size/group with a sufficient cold cranking amps rating (> 740 CCA)?
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Old 01-25-2014, 06:17 AM
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If the first crank is weak then your battery is toast/underrated or your starter is long due for replacement.

20F should be easy starting. I'm not even having issues lately and right now it is TWO degrees outside.
It was the battery. Cranks like a beast now!

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