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Old 03-20-2014, 03:59 PM
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No as I understand it they all do it to reduce stress on the transmission.

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Many cars dial back the power during upshifts. Certainly not unique to a diesel or a chipped car. I experience the same in our 1998 car which is stock...it preserves the transmission and smooths out shifts just a bit.

Plenty of people, including other W210 diesel owners, had driven my chipped car. There was a significant difference with the tuned module. Whenver the car visited the MBz dealer, the mechanics always had something to say about it There was no mistaking the car had been altered.
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Old 03-20-2014, 04:12 PM
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It was Jeff at RocketChip who told me that.
It's a good selling point when diesel is $4.30/gallon, right

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No as I understand it they all do it to reduce stress on the transmission.
That's interesting....now that I think about it, mine does it too.
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A very easy, on the car DIY, adjustment of a slight advancement in injector pump timing would help reduce EGTs, and increase efficienvy. Retarded timing has been stock for years now for NOx emissions, and a slight advancement would bring the EGTs down and increase MPGs. Just slightly loosen the three 13mm head bolts on the front of the engine at the top center, right, bottom left of the vacuum pump, and the one at the back of the IP on the support bracket. Don't take them out, just loosen them a couple turns until the IP is looser. Then turn the adjustment bolt on the left hand side of the IP (right when facing the engine with the hood up) about 3/4 turn to the left (counter-clockwise) should be a safe and good starting point. Then re-snug the three bolts on the front and the one at the back.

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Based on my personal research and experience, here's a general rundown of what things can be effected on the engine to increase HP:

Total fuel quantity - like "turning up the pump" on a mechanical pump. The rack simply moves further to deliver more fuel. The drawback to this is that the injection event time is increased further into the piston stroke, combustion efficiency suffers and EGT's rise.

Max boost - the ECU has complete control over the wastegate via the vacuum transducer and can command it to remain closed up to the pressure limits of the compressor. This probably shortens the life of an already hard working turbo. Also, pushing the turbo out of it's efficiency map raises intake temps and EGT's.

Timing - nope, the ECU can't touch the timing on this engine. Only on HPCR, TDI and HUEI engines where the ECU controls the actual injection event. The OM606 has a mechanical flyweight timing device just like the older engines.

Other parameters - the ECU can manage the fuel curve of the engine and tailor it to existing load and demand conditions. It can be altered to deliver more fuel faster (like adjusting the ALDA) to make the car feel "snappier". The ECU also manages things like shift points, EGR and cruise control behavior.

This is not to answer any specific question but more to help anyone who is curious to understand the operation.
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What is the designation / maker of the engine computer used on this car? Is is used on other brands of cars?
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It is a standard MB Bosch ECU. I know a guy in Nashville who seems to know his way down to the transistor on these things.


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What is the designation / maker of the engine computer used on this car? Is is used on other brands of cars?
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Stage 2 Group buy info update:

Please no flame wars, if you expressed interest, and it was misread we can all please be polite here. Just send a PM, and I'll edit the post. Just putting it down on paper the sort of Go/NoGos when we move on later to sorting out all of the details. If you want in, get in now as they will be asking $410 for all of these later as they charge by it on an À la carte method of pricing, even though it is no more work on the tuner to upload a different file for things, ie(stage 1, stage 2, stage 3, MAF, EGR, ect) À la carte adds up quick. Many thanks to Michael for being the liaison to get the dialog going with Oliver.

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Can someone explain the MAF delete part of it, what that accomplishes? I was looking at Stage 2 and EGR kill....just not familiar with the MAF delete part.
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Can someone explain the MAF delete part of it, what that accomplishes? I was looking at Stage 2 and EGR kill....just not familiar with the MAF delete part.
Sure,

The ME (Motor Electronics or the engine ECU) on the OM606 turbo in the 98-99 E300s never looks at the values at the maf sensor except for some values close to idle and a little above. The ME looks for a reduction in MAF air flow basically only when the EGR valve is opened and that pressurized EGR gasses are flowing into the intake manifold over fresh clean oxygen rich air from the air box/air filter.

KarTek and others pioneered a diode/resistor mod to simulate this, which is great and works fine. This tune will further eliminate bottlenecks in the software so it can be ignored totally; hopefully making the diode resistor mod not needed. You skip buying a new MAF every 50,000 miles, and use a better cold air induction or different setup if you wanted to clean up your engine compartment.

The Manifold Absolute Pressure or MAP sensor that is on the intake manifold sees the air pressure that is a result of the turbocharging. This MAP sensor is what the injector pump fueling is based on. The mod simply helps you not get a check engine light with no MAF.
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We're almost up to the magic number. If anyone wants in pm/reply/email
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Old 03-21-2014, 05:47 AM
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Is the MAF delete something Oliver can definitely do? I was reading a MAF delete thread from a few years ago were someone commented that Oliver didn't think it was possible. Perhaps it's been figured out since then.
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:44 AM
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I'm in.
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This is great. We're picking up steam here. So far, we've got:
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If you're on this list, shoot me an email at oshikrosu(at)aim.com with the subject "Group Buy" and we can coordinate this whole thing. If we get some more heads, we could possibly negotiate for cheaper
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:31 PM
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Is the MAF delete something Oliver can definitely do? I was reading a MAF delete thread from a few years ago were someone commented that Oliver didn't think it was possible. Perhaps it's been figured out since then.
I don't think this tune includes MAF delete. But e300tsc made a resistor delete at superturbodiesel

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