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300SD90 03-25-2014 07:43 PM

Injector Pop Testing Question (Video)
 
Hey all,

I finally got around to building my injector pop tester. I may be using it wrong, so any input would be appreciated! The injector seems to begin "popping" around 400 PSI or so, and loses its pressure.

http://youtu.be/hq5H-C-g8Bs

Thanks!

tangofox007 03-25-2014 07:59 PM

For one thing, a liquid-filled gauge is not the best option for pressure testing. Its response time is too slow.

300SD90 03-25-2014 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 3306995)
For one thing, a liquid-filled gauge is not the best option for pressure testing. Its response time is too slow.

I was told to only use the glycerin filled gauge. My spray pattern looks good but the pressures seem off. I may give a non-liquid filled gauge a try also.

Anyone else have experience with pop testing?

mach4 03-26-2014 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 300SD90 (Post 3307102)
I was told to only use the glycerin filled gauge. My spray pattern looks good but the pressures seem off. I may give a non-liquid filled gauge a try also.

Anyone else have experience with pop testing?

I use a glycerine filled gauge. It just dampens the response a bit so you get a more representative reading.

From what I can see it appears to be working as expected. Your popping is more pronounced than what I get, but I think that's just higher flow with yours. Are you popping injectors with new nozzles or just checking your existing injectors as they came out of the car? What are your readings across all injectors?

ah-kay 03-26-2014 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 300SD90 (Post 3306985)
Hey all,

I finally got around to building my injector pop tester. I may be using it wrong, so any input would be appreciated! The injector seems to begin "popping" around 400 PSI or so, and loses its pressure.

W126 Injector Pop Testing - YouTube

Thanks!

I did not watch the video but 400psi is too low. Turbo injector opens at 135 bar or 1958psi. Non turbo at 115bar or 1667psi. They are way off or you read it wrong. Cannot see anything wrong with liquid-filled gauges.

yvairguy 03-26-2014 04:16 AM

I thought you might have meant it was 400 psi low until i watched the video and saw it chatter around 400.

How was the car running? and did you check your 0 to 60 before you pulled them?

tangofox007 03-26-2014 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mach4 (Post 3307123)
I use a glycerine filled gauge. It just dampens the response a bit so you get a more representative reading.

Not sure what, exactly, is being "represented." Except that it's not reality.

I suspect that you won't find a professional injector tester that uses a damped pressure gauge.

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Originally Posted by ah-kay (Post 3307129)
Cannot see anything wrong with liquid-filled gauges.

Can you show me a single, professional-grade injector tester that utilizes a damped gauge? Bosch? Bacharach?

ah-kay 03-26-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 3307176)
Can you show me a single, professional-grade injector tester that utilizes a damped gauge? Bosch? Bacharach?

Here we go again. It is wasting my time to response. I thought you are far better poster after a long period of hiatus.

mach4 03-26-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 3307176)
Can you show me a single, professional-grade injector tester that utilizes a damped gauge? Bosch? Bacharach?

Last time I checked this was a DIY-focused forum. If we all had access to professional-grade tools and instruments, we'd probably be in the business and have access to professional-grade documentation...though I'd argue that the forums are likely even better in many respects.

Regarding pop testers, if I felt I needed accuracy to +/- 1 psi on a pop tester, I'd buy a $5000 digital unit with integral printer, 16" screen and a .5 micron filter assembly and automatic popping and digital recording of each pop in super slo-mo, rather than building one. I can live with a lot less accuracy and bells and whistles and only have $21.47 invested...and you know what? The car runs perfectly, and has for the last 30k miles since I last popped my injectors.

I kind of like my HF tools, too... and my swap meet tools and my Craigs List equipment. And I kind of like making my own tools and solving problems without investing a fortune.

If you want a dry gauge, go for it...

vstech 03-26-2014 12:35 PM

your popping appears to be around 135 bar... I don't know where you are seeing 400psi pop... it's over 1500psi... hard to tell exactly, as the needle is very slow to respond, but it's certainly not 400 psi...

eatont9999 03-26-2014 12:36 PM

This little unit has a liquid filled gauge:

Caterpillar Cat 1U6661 Pop Injector Tester w Cart Used | eBay

vstech 03-26-2014 12:42 PM

also, the liquid level in the gauge makes it hard to read the pop pressure... but it's sitting stable around 1000 psi... it only pops as you pump it over 1500...

mach4 03-26-2014 04:19 PM

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You make a great point!

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tangofox007 03-26-2014 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mach4 (Post 3307267)
Last time I checked this was a DIY-focused forum. If we all had access to professional-grade tools and instruments, we'd probably be in the business and have access to professional-grade documentation...though I'd argue that the forums are likely even better in many respects.

Regarding pop testers, if I felt I needed accuracy to +/- 1 psi on a pop tester, I'd buy a $5000 digital unit with integral printer, 16" screen and a .5 micron filter assembly and automatic popping and digital recording of each pop in super slo-mo, rather than building one. I can live with a lot less accuracy and bells and whistles and only have $21.47 invested...and you know what? The car runs perfectly, and has for the last 30k miles since I last popped my injectors.

I kind of like my HF tools, too... and my swap meet tools and my Craigs List equipment. And I kind of like making my own tools and solving problems without investing a fortune.

If you want a dry gauge, go for it...

Can you make even the slightest hint of an agrument that would support the selection of a damped gauge for injector testing? The HF and Craigs List distraction isn't terribly persuasive.

Why would you choose a damped gauge for use in a dynamic situation like injector testing?

mach4 03-26-2014 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tangofox007 (Post 3307406)
Can you make even the slightest hint of an agrument [sic] that would support the selection of a damped gauge for injector testing? The HF and Craigs List distraction isn't terribly persuasive.

Why would you choose a damped gauge for use in a dynamic situation like injector testing?

Uhhhh, because it works... oh, and because the multi-thousand professional Caterpillar units use liquid filled gauges. If it's good enough for Caterpillar, it's good enough for me.

...that is all


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