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Old 06-01-2014, 03:55 PM
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Engine and 5 speed tranny from 190D in series Land Rover?

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I've my eye on a donor and i've try to search for an answer on my own with little luck. The question that i'd like to ask you guys is if it's possible to mate the 5 speed manual rear wheel drive transmission to the Land rover series 2a transfer case.
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:18 PM
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I'd think that would depend on the sizes of the 717.4XX (the 190D 5-speed is a 717.41-something) output shafts and the equivalent LR output shafts.
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:42 PM
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Most people are concerned with mating OM61X engines to the existing Land Rover drive train. See for example

Converting a Series Land Rover to Mercedes 617 diesel

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I doubt very much if there would be "enough front" in front of a transfer case to fit a 717.41X gearbox and an OM60X engine.

I can probably find engine lengths and gearbox lengths if you need them.

If I were you I'd be looking at W124 4Matic manual transmissions (common{ish} on 260e W124s over here in Northern Europe) and adapting Land Rover drive shafts to fit. This would work for a road vehicle. If you want off road capabilities as well then there's always a strange thing called a "G-wagon" => these things rust faster than Defenders!
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:41 AM
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Most people are concerned with mating OM61X engines to the existing Land Rover drive train. See for example

Converting a Series Land Rover to Mercedes 617 diesel

Mercedes diesel

I doubt very much if there would be "enough front" in front of a transfer case to fit a 717.41X gearbox and an OM60X engine.

I can probably find engine lengths and gearbox lengths if you need them.

If I were you I'd be looking at W124 4Matic manual transmissions (common{ish} on 260e W124s over here in Northern Europe) and adapting Land Rover drive shafts to fit. This would work for a road vehicle. If you want off road capabilities as well then there's always a strange thing called a "G-wagon" => these things rust faster than Defenders!
Thank you, I would appreciate if you could find the dimensions for me. The model that caught my eye was 1987 190d 2.5 5speed. There's also a 1984 190d 5speed that i may consider if it's not to much to ask.

Now the G-wagons are pricey where i live (Chicago, IL), I haven't seen one below $10k in North America at the other hand i can get a running 190d for a fraction of it.
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Thank you, I would appreciate if you could find the dimensions for me. The model that caught my eye was 1987 190d 2.5 5speed. There's also a 1984 190d 5speed that i may consider if it's not to much to ask.

Now the G-wagons are pricey where i live (Chicago, IL), I haven't seen one below $10k in North America at the other hand i can get a running 190d for a fraction of it.
The '84 would be underpowered IMO....I own an '85 2.2 190D.

The 2.5 would also be underpowered unless its the '87 2.5 turbo.
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Thank you, I would appreciate if you could find the dimensions for me. The model that caught my eye was 1987 190d 2.5 5speed. There's also a 1984 190d 5speed that i may consider if it's not to much to ask.

Now the G-wagons are pricey where i live (Chicago, IL), I haven't seen one below $10k in North America at the other hand i can get a running 190d for a fraction of it.
I'll start you off with the length of a 5 speed manual transmission

717.412 (5 speed manual gearbox) refresh

I can't really comment on the under powered thing much other than to say the series IIA is an incredibly slow vehicle to start off with - the Rover V8 modification that Land Rover itself did (though I think they only did this in the series III) was popular for a reason.

I think you'll already find that the length of the gearbox will take up most of the engine bay - those landy gearboxes are well short compared with a 717.41X
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:22 PM
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I'll start you off with the length of a 5 speed manual transmission

717.412 (5 speed manual gearbox) refresh

I can't really comment on the under powered thing much other than to say the series IIA is an incredibly slow vehicle to start off with - the Rover V8 modification that Land Rover itself did (though I think they only did this in the series III) was popular for a reason.

I think you'll already find that the length of the gearbox will take up most of the engine bay - those landy gearboxes are well short compared with a 717.41X
It'd leave me with around 78cm for the engine and radiator although it could be possible to get a custom radiator which moved forward would leave the whole 78cm for the engine.

I have the 2.5 NAD fitted in currently and with 68hp i get 70mph top speed . 2.0 with 75hp doesn't sound to bad.
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:27 PM
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The '84 would be underpowered IMO....I own an '85 2.2 190D.

The 2.5 would also be underpowered unless its the '87 2.5 turbo.
My first thought as well. And dont forget-- at higher rpms, loud besides.

I checked the relative weights of 85 190d to series LR, the 190d is heavier, unladen.

How do the rear end gear ratios compare?
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The 2.5 would also be underpowered unless its the '87 2.5 turbo.
There were a lot of models with the turbo 2.5 and far more comment.

@interzonearts: where are you located? There are a number of conversions over at STD but I don't think anyone kept the trans...
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There were a lot of models with the turbo 2.5 and far more comment.

@interzonearts: where are you located? There are a number of conversions over at STD but I don't think anyone kept the trans...
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