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Old 06-05-2014, 06:32 PM
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OM606 "Pinging" at cruise and under light acceleration.

I hesitate to post this because I'm running a modified injector pump but I remember the car doing this to a degree before the modifications.

Here's the setup:

  • Engine "pings" while cruising at all speeds from 45 MPH and up to 75+ MPH.
  • At a standstill, if I rev the engine to about 2100 RPM and then give it a further blip of the throttle, I get a burst of clatter from the engine. Maybe normal?
  • If I'm cruising at highway speed, engine pinging away and I accelerate gently or start climbing a hill, the engine gets dead quiet.
  • If I accelerate hard from a standstill, the engine performs perfectly with no extra noises.
Some theories and things I've done to fix this:


  • At first I thought it was late injection noise so I advanced the timing but that made it worse (more cylinders pinging instead of just one)
  • Secondly, I thought it was poor sealing of the delivery valve crush washers so I replaced them and re-torqued them. This solved an idle shake but not the pinging.
  • Third, I replaced the delivery valves in the pinging cylinders and that didn't help as well.
So I thought I'd throw it out there and see if you all have any ideas. My next step will be to remove the IP and verify the accuracy of the element timings. Which, on a side note, would be much easier if I had a section of degree tape for the damper. Then I wouldn't have to pull the pump. Anyone know of a source?


Thanks for the help as always.

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Old 06-05-2014, 06:45 PM
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How's your low pressure side looking?

I had similar symptoms, it was an air incursion.
Until I changed all of these, I got clattering like that.
- Fuel lines and o-rings
- pre filter o-ring (on mine there was crud on the sealing surface so check that)
- the o-ring behind the shut off valve - that finally cured it
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Old 06-05-2014, 07:52 PM
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That's a good thought. My low pressure side has been fine for so long, maybe I'm missing something. I have replaced all of the o rings with viton several years ago and I haven't payed much attention to them since.

I'll go check that right now.
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:34 PM
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OK, so i got a flashlight and held it behind the fuel lines and saw some motion, especially when I revved the engine up a little. I think the problem has been that in the past, I have used a LED flashlight and that tends to hide the bubbles because of the strobe effect. This time, I used a standard light and they were easier to see.

The bubbles are starting at the fuel heater so I'm assuming they may be coming from the badly cracked rubber hose or possibly the o ring on the heater itself. Time to start replacing some parts!

We'll see how it works and go from there, thanks for the suggestion. Sometimes it pays to go back to basics.
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:12 AM
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I would be curious to see if premium diesel did anything.
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:35 AM
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Economical source of "O" rings

McMaster-Carr

According to here 9464K44 works BUT I have measured and I feel that 9464K23 is a better fit.

I tried to order both but McMaster will not export them, evidently some hi-tech gov't secret restricted product.

I ended up going with all new lines with O rings.
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Old 06-06-2014, 03:00 AM
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The o rings were replaced not too many years ago with a complete viton kit I bought from a member here. The only part I haven't replaced is the rubber line in the engine compartment. Looking at it today, it's in pretty rough shape.

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