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Old 06-10-2014, 11:46 AM
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Engine weight

Does anyone have the weight for a OM616 long block? I am looking for an engine stand and want to make sure I get something that can support the engine for a few months.

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It's a LOT. At least 900 pounds. I can't say for sure on the 616, but I have a 1000 pound stand from Harborfreight, I put a 617.952 engine on it, for about 6 months, but had to prop a 2x4 under it near the front. I put a 2x6 about 8 inches long under the upper oil pan, do distribute the weight then a 2x4 about 16" long between it and the frame of the stand...it would still wiggle a bit when you cranked on something, but it did the job. I could gently roll it around in the garage, and even push it into a corner when I needed the space. Without the brace, the stand bowed down severely.
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:30 PM
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According to this thread

Engine Weight for 300D in W123

the non turbo OM617 sans fluids is 567lbs = 257 kg

That sounds about right - I can shift 300 kg - I'd probably **** my pants if I tried to shift double that!

So I say a bit less than 567 lbs is your magic number
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:53 PM
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buy the big folding one from HF. I had the cheapo one, and the big one is way better, plus if its not in use, takes up less space. Have had a 300D engine on it for over a year once, and now a 240 engine resides
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Old 06-10-2014, 01:18 PM
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Be careful how you put the engine on the stand. Using the aluminum intermediate plate is not recommended. It will support the engine but the strength is suspect. I mounted mine on a HF stand briefly but kept some weight supported by an engine hoist as insurance. Be very careful about attempting to rotate the engine as the center of gravity is significantly off center.

For a long-term project I'd probably consider fabricating a stout steel mounting plate that would offset the mount to the stand to the CG of the engine. If you don't need to rotate the engine, an alternative might be a roll-around frame supporting the engine by the support arms and the transmission (or a suitable rear, and possibly front support).

As already stated, these are very heavy engines.
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Old 06-10-2014, 01:48 PM
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if you take off the transmission plate, and pull the double mount ear piece off the back of the head and use those two holes for two connections to the engine stand, with a few lower holes ,you can get a pretty balanced mount as long as you arent pulling the head off.

on my 616 i could do a full rotate by hand with that higher mount position, otherwise as mach4 says, you get over a certain tipping point and that sucker is going over no matter what
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I have a OM617.952 on a Engine Stand, I was figuring it must weight at least 600 lbs. I didn`t want to use a HF engine stand, so started looking on CL and found a heavy duty one for #100.

Looks similar to this one. Reminds me of an Engine Hoist that has been cut down and modified.



I was a bit nervous about the thing tipping over when rotating the engine, so run a square tube through the cross piece at the rear, and with a foot sticking out on either side. Across the front wheels ran another piece of tubing and bolted it to the frame. then set the tubes that stick out on some large blocks of wood to stable it. I just knew it would probably flip over if I rotated the engine with a HF light duty stand. With this stand the engine turned real smooth and didn`t get away from me with all the accessories still bolted to it. I still give it a lot of respect.

The HF one scares me when I think of it flipping over. If it starts to go, don`t try to hold it, just let her go.




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I know most of us won`t be bolting a 2000 lb engine on a stand, but I read through this thread on another forum where the welds broke and the engine hit the shop floor. The majority of these stands come out of China, (maybe India too) and the metal they use is thin and the welds don`t always have good penetration.
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Old 06-10-2014, 02:44 PM
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I bet an OM616 without the accessories mounted is probably only between 450-500lbs or so...
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Old 06-10-2014, 03:27 PM
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I have a OM617.952 on a Engine Stand, I was figuring it must weight at least 600 lbs. I didn`t want to use a HF engine stand, so started looking on CL and found a heavy duty one for #100.

Looks similar to this one. Reminds me of an Engine Hoist that has been cut down and modified.



I was a bit nervous about the thing tipping over when rotating the engine, so run a square tube through the cross piece at the rear, and with a foot sticking out on either side. Across the front wheels ran another piece of tubing and bolted it to the frame. then set the tubes that stick out on some large blocks of wood to stable it. I just knew it would probably flip over if I rotated the engine with a HF light duty stand. With this stand the engine turned real smooth and didn`t get away from me with all the accessories still bolted to it. I still give it a lot of respect.

The HF one scares me when I think of it flipping over. If it starts to go, don`t try to hold it, just let her go.




800 × 532 - auctionflex.com



I know most of us won`t be bolting a 2000 lb engine on a stand, but I read through this thread on another forum where the welds broke and the engine hit the shop floor. The majority of these stands come out of China, (maybe India too) and the metal they use is thin and the welds don`t always have good penetration.
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That AC Delco one looks like something I would feel better about. Not only do I want something that can support the engine I need something very stable since I have two small kids that like to hang out with me in the garage and I am terrified that one of them may try to pull it over.
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Old 06-10-2014, 04:23 PM
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Old 06-10-2014, 04:28 PM
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According to this thread

Engine Weight for 300D in W123

the non turbo OM617 sans fluids is 567lbs = 257 kg

That sounds about right - I can shift 300 kg - I'd probably **** my pants if I tried to shift double that!

So I say a bit less than 567 lbs is your magic number
A 616 is one cylinder shorter, so I estimate around 450 or wo without accessories but including the IP.
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A 616 is one cylinder shorter, so I estimate around 450 or wo without accessories but including the IP.
Yep roll up! Roll up! One cylinder less = 20% weight discount!

I'm mean - I'm only going to give a 12% discount...
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I have a OM617.952 on a Engine Stand, I was figuring it must weight at least 600 lbs. I didn`t want to use a HF engine stand, so started looking on CL and found a heavy duty one for #100.

Looks similar to this one. Reminds me of an Engine Hoist that has been cut down and modified.



I was a bit nervous about the thing tipping over when rotating the engine, so run a square tube through the cross piece at the rear, and with a foot sticking out on either side. Across the front wheels ran another piece of tubing and bolted it to the frame. then set the tubes that stick out on some large blocks of wood to stable it. I just knew it would probably flip over if I rotated the engine with a HF light duty stand. With this stand the engine turned real smooth and didn`t get away from me with all the accessories still bolted to it. I still give it a lot of respect.

The HF one scares me when I think of it flipping over. If it starts to go, don`t try to hold it, just let her go.




800 × 532 - auctionflex.com



I know most of us won`t be bolting a 2000 lb engine on a stand, but I read through this thread on another forum where the welds broke and the engine hit the shop floor. The majority of these stands come out of China, (maybe India too) and the metal they use is thin and the welds don`t always have good penetration.
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the harborfreight heavy duty engine stand looks exactly like that ac delco one. almost identical design, rated for 2k if i recall.
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I have a OM617.952 on a Engine Stand, I was figuring it must weight at least 600 lbs. I didn`t want to use a HF engine stand, so started looking on CL and found a heavy duty one for #100.

Looks similar to this one. Reminds me of an Engine Hoist that has been cut down and modified.



I was a bit nervous about the thing tipping over when rotating the engine, so run a square tube through the cross piece at the rear, and with a foot sticking out on either side. Across the front wheels ran another piece of tubing and bolted it to the frame. then set the tubes that stick out on some large blocks of wood to stable it. I just knew it would probably flip over if I rotated the engine with a HF light duty stand. With this stand the engine turned real smooth and didn`t get away from me with all the accessories still bolted to it. I still give it a lot of respect.

The HF one scares me when I think of it flipping over. If it starts to go, don`t try to hold it, just let her go.




800 × 532 - auctionflex.com



I know most of us won`t be bolting a 2000 lb engine on a stand, but I read through this thread on another forum where the welds broke and the engine hit the shop floor. The majority of these stands come out of China, (maybe India too) and the metal they use is thin and the welds don`t always have good penetration.
What engine stand for diesels? - Pirate4x4.Com : 4x4 and Off-Road Forum


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Hi Charlie, Harbor Freight has more than one stand, they have 3 choices. The $45, 750 pound 3-legged one pictured above is spooky I'd never use it for anything. The $59 1,000 pound 4 wheeled one is the one I used, and the $129 1,500 pound 4 wheeled one they have with the extra cross member and supports is exactly like the blue one you have posted here (in design at least). When I bought my stand it was for a VW aircooled engine so the 1,000 pound one was more than I needed but I hated the idea of the three wheeled on stability alone, and for only $14 more, I figured I'd get the 1,000 pound stand.

For the 617 engine, that sucker bowed badly, so I did the prop up and it worked fine, and for me the gap between $59 and $129 to go the next step up was a good value, that didn't compromise safety since I had no intention of turning the engine anyways. I think the 2x4 prop also helped relive stress on the aluminum mounting part of the engine.
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I've run a 617 on the sketchy HF one, the trick is to hook a ratchet strap from the front head bolt hook to the ceiling in your shed

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