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Old 06-11-2014, 02:37 PM
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1987 300D "shhhhhh, shhhhhh, shhhhhh" Sound

I thought it could have been exhaust when I first heard it bouncing off buildings and bridges but now that I have opened the hood I can tell it's coming from the engine.

After running a few minutes it quieted down a bit but was still there just audible over the engine.

It almost sounds like a steel-bristled brush running back and forth over concrete.

Just by locating it by hear it almost sounds like it's coming from an injector.

I don't believe you can adjust the valves on this engine. Is that correct?

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Old 06-11-2014, 02:55 PM
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I suspect something in the rotating parts on the front of the engine.

High pitched sounds are extremely difficult to localize.

OM603 has hydraulic lifters. No adjustments needed.
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:32 PM
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Check for something caught in the fan shroud. Then loosen the belt and see if you still hear it. Alternatively, trans flex disk. Everything vacuum working ok?
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:38 PM
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Check for something caught in the fan shroud. Then loosen the belt and see if you still hear it. Alternatively, trans flex disk. Everything vacuum working ok?
I'll check that.

I did change out the fan clutch last weekend but I didn't hear the noise until today.

I used the ACM brand and I did hear somebody else using that brand that had issues with it making noises.

I'll double check to make sure the shroud is still securely attached and I'll give the fan a spin to see what I find.

Everything vacuum is still working as far as I can tell.

EDIT: I just went back out and I couldn't get it to make the sound again.

I did put my fingers on all the injector lines coming out of the pump, however.

Two of them seemed to have a much more pronounced impulse as felt by my finger tips than the other four.

They are the second and third lines from the back and they were "freestanding" meaning they weren't in any kind of bushing or holder like the others.

I'll just have to keep an eye on it to see if it intensifies.

Locks certainly do.

The sound is a metallic sound but a strange one.

It isn't high-pitched like a bearing or belt.

It is rhythmic and "wooosh, wooosh" or just "shhhhhh, shhhhh" sounds.
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:42 PM
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Did you see this recent thread? Does it sound like the video provided here:
Help diagnosing engine noise 87 300D Turbo
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Old 06-11-2014, 03:57 PM
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Unsecured injection lines will lead to failure.

Remember there is 3000 psi fluid in there.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:00 PM
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Did you see this recent thread? Does it sound like the video provided here:
Help diagnosing engine noise 87 300D Turbo
I did see that.

The noise I had was nothing like that.

Now that I know what the inside of a fan clutch looks like the sound could have been made by the clutch plates sliding past each other.

I also have heard of another person buying the same brand fan clutch having odd sounds shortly after buying it.

I didn't get it to happen the last time I started the car but I have a feeling it will come back.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:01 PM
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Unsecured injection lines will lead to failure.

Remember there is 3000 psi fluid in there.
Well, unless something is missing I didn't see any bracket for these two lines.

They are to the injectors that are closest to the pump.
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Old 06-11-2014, 07:40 PM
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Well, unless something is missing I didn't see any bracket for these two lines.

They are to the injectors that are closest to the pump.
There should be small plastic clips that attach the lines to a bracket and keep them separate.

Failing to do this results in failure of the line. Either by rubbing between lines, or possibly cracking by flexing.

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Old 06-11-2014, 07:53 PM
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Probably was the last part you changed out. Especially if you heard someone else had the same issue more or less. May be a break in noise of some sort that will go away.

Although I thought the linkage was just fluid driven. But you see clutch plates so it is a little more complex and could easily make noise. Did you check the fluid level? I thought I heard somewhere that they are to be stored in a certain position until installed but not sure. Dry friction plates only partially engaged would make noise for example. Was the outside of the case bone dry when you got it? I suspect you will have to verify there is adequate fluid in there.

Strange set up. Low on fluid and they slip excessively was my understanding. So they perhaps incorporate a combination drive coupling. Partial hydrostatic in combination with friction clutches. Although I have never had one apart to see.
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Old 06-12-2014, 10:44 PM
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Probably was the last part you changed out. Especially if you heard someone else had the same issue more or less. May be a break in noise of some sort that will go away.

Although I thought the linkage was just fluid driven. But you see clutch plates so it is a little more complex and could easily make noise. Did you check the fluid level? I thought I heard somewhere that they are to be stored in a certain position until installed but not sure. Dry friction plates only partially engaged would make noise for example. Was the outside of the case bone dry when you got it? I suspect you will have to verify there is adequate fluid in there.

Strange set up. Low on fluid and they slip excessively was my understanding. So they perhaps incorporate a combination drive coupling. Partial hydrostatic in combination with friction clutches. Although I have never had one apart to see.
Well in my haste, I actually ordered two of them.

I ordered the first one and found out after the fact that it wouldn't arrive for a week.

So, I ordered another one and had it to me in two days.

The one that got here first was the cheapest one and the metal flat spring on the front (whose purpose I don't know) was loose and popping out of one of his places.

The one I just got today was much sturdier and the flat metal spring on the front had some white adhesive holding it in place.

I suspect this flat spring flexes depending on temperature and causes the clutch to engage.

Since the first one was loosey-goosey I suspect that could be my problem but I don't know for sure.

The sound seems to be coming from the head/injector/injector pump area but it's hard to know for sure.

I'll do some more sleuthing this evening and tomorrow to see what's going on.

Worst-case I'll take off the cheapie and send it back for a refund.

There is a noticeable difference in quality between the two just from my visual assessment.

This is a big deal I know because on my 1993 300D I ignored the racket the fan clutch was making until one day it disintegrated and the fan blade broke free and bounced around in there poking a massive hole in my radiator.

Luckily I was in town and a mile or two from home.
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Old 10-17-2014, 09:57 PM
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UPDATE: I'm pretty sure the noise I was hearing was the bad bearings in my water pump.

It got worse and I replaced it today.

The engine has only a diesel combustion sound now without any screeches or shhhh sounds.

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