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I hope you enjoy your W124, I'm sure you think very highly of the car. They are nice cars, I still own two of them. You realize, of course, the number you cited above from wike is for a constant 53.8 mph? Do you really drive like that in the real world? I really don't care to try to defend my observations to you. It's not important to me, and I've already told you what I have observed. For me, it is a game to see how high I can get the mpg number, and I am constantly aware of what the car is achieving at any given time (thanks to that wonderful computer that you hate). I'm not into hypermiling, just comfortable travel. My wife drove 50% of the outbound AND return trip, and she is not one to be concerned with overall mileage. The fact that the CDI can generate these MPG numbers without even trying hard is quite impressive. I'm not going to quibble over a slight variance with calculated vs computer, I only reported my observations of the computer. My numbers have been reproduced by others, they are not at all out of line with what I can reproduce on the car at any time. It is what it is. You may choose not believe it, as others no doubt question your observations on your own car. I'm not the unaware typical owner. I'm an engineer trained to look at facts without emotional bias, and I've been wrenching on cars for over 40 years. You paint with a broad brush the inaccuracies of the computers. Have you ever driven a W211 CDI for any distance? I've put 14K miles on mine so far, and I know for a fact that the computer is very consistent and close to my calculated mpg. As I said, close enough that I stopped trying to log every fillup. I have 8 cars/trucks, I don't have the time or inclination to go bat-sh** anal on each one. I can reproduce these numbers, and so can my cousin. That's a cumlative 64K on CDIs. I'm happy with my mpg, and I was very pleasantly surprised to see an observed high mileage number based upon a 500 mile trip at relatively high speed with aircon running the entire trip. I sure didn't expect to get accused as a charlatan when I posted the results. Looking at your postings, you appear to revel in taking an antagonistic approach to any idea you do not personally subscribe to. If, indeed, you can get your claimed mileage out of a W124 300D, imagine how much more you would get from a W211 CDI. Why I bet you could outdo my results, easily. Why don't you drive one and find out firsthand what amazing cars these are? Given some time to understand how these cars work, I'm sure you could do much better than my cousin and I can achieve. My car didn't deliver these mpg results when I bought it, I've spent some time tweaking it to max out the numbers, so I don't expect every CDI to achieve the same mpg. Remember, your mileage may vary.... The W211 CDI is a modern marvel. It is so far beyond the W124 chassis it's not even a fair comparison. Spend some time in one, you'll be seduced. I was. Regards, Jim
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I was going to mention the 70mpg we got in our 2006 CDI but thought better of it seeing we have sold the car.
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My 220D gets 30 miles to the gallon pretty consistently...no more, no less. I'd expect a 240 with the manual transmission to have similar fuel consumption.
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BTW, do the math... let's say that a manual has a 10% advantage over an automatic and that a 5-speed has a 10% advantage over a 4-speed. 28 MPG + 2.8 MPG = 30.8 MPG. 30.8 MPG + 3.1 MPG = 33.9 MPG. Huh. Kinda looks like 34 MPG. Add to that that he does almost all of his driving at 50 MPH, and his claim is extremely realistic.
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My neighbor was the opposite, he thought my 300D was only getting 15 mpg. He's probably used to 8 and 12 on his Denali so 15 was "high enough"
And he also asked if it had a carburetor. He was shocked too when I said 25, was a diesel and it was fuel injected
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Thanks for the extensive clarification across the board in your CCed post here. I too can coincide with almost everything you've written, and, I happen to own an 06 CDI sedan. My last post here will be this one too. I already gave the guy more time than I should have, but enjoyed bringing to light his behavior/MO on DD, et al - as I am reading coincides to some degree with your observation. Thanks again for your thoughts on it. |
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I read more posts on here as a guest than I post so I don't post here often.. Looks like someone got a little mad and is playing a victim threatening to leave the forum! We'll see you again SRJ!
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Learning new ideas and concepts has always been a personal goal of mine, but it is clear that some feel the opposite.
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I had a 240D manual. Worst one tank mpg was 17. Best was 28. Typical was 22 or 23. My 300D always got better, even when it was still an automatic. I've just touched 30 on long highway trips, but right around 25 is what I get on most tanks.
For a time I drove a '90 International Paystar 5000 with a 14 liter Cummins making all of 350 horsepower and pulling a 32 cubic meter end dump. I never hit the scales with it (no scale houses in the country I was in), but I estimated the loaded weight to be about 130,000 lbs, with an unloaded weight more like 34,000. Upon further reflection I think both of those estimates are low. I checked the mileage a couple times and found I was getting 3 mpg loaded and 6 unloaded.
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He's often asked what the mileage is. His answer is whatever it may be, once you divide it by the number of passengers, it great mileage! Same with your tractor, great mileage, by the ton. He's a former MB owner, had to give it up with 7 kids. But he still likes to tell people when they ask him what he drives, that he drives an E350. If they draw the wrong conclusion, hey, that's not his fault.... Jim
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After reading 2 pages of banter about MPG on cars other than a 240D, can we get back to JB3's topic?
This is my real world experience with 240D MPG. I have owned several 240D's, and have checked the MPG often. I also have been running them on WVO blend, and everyone knows that lower MPG for WVO than with pump Diesel is common. The times I have checked the mileage, I have filled up in the same spot on my driveway, filled to the same level in the tank (gurgling at the top of filler neck), and calculating the actual miles driven. I have a 20 gallon portable container with one gallon graduations on the side. My real world experience with the manual 240D's run on WVO blend that I have taken the time to calculate the MPG on has been thus: worst MPG-20, best MPG-32 (long freeway cruise on one full tank), average MPG-24. I am sure those numbers would increase if I was running pump Diesel, but by how much, I don't know. I also "drive it like I stole it" most of the time. As they say "your mileage may vary"......Rich
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Mines an auto, cuts about 60-65mpg off....
Transmission is always glowing red its so inefficient....
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