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Old 09-07-2014, 10:51 PM
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is it possible to have a 98 or 99 w210 e300 turbodiesel as a reliable daily driver? i NEED to know. they're in my price range at the moment so i feel i should ask.
Without being able to analyze and assess the car in consideration, it's impossible to answer that Q.

It depends on what your definition of a reliable daily driver is? These cars are already fastly approaching the 20 year mark, and most of 'em here seem to be actively rusting. I know of two guys here that have reported theirs currently in that camp.

My perspective is as having owned one from new for 14-years. Would I buy another one? Definitely not. Why? I considered mine way too problematic to keep as a DD.

I upgraded out of the 99 E300 because I felt the CDI E320 would be much more reliable than the 99. I am finding that to be precisely the case.

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i truly appreciate your honesty & the sharing of your experience. thanks!
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i truly appreciate your honesty & the sharing of your experience. thanks!
care to elaborate on the original question like we all are asking?
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care to elaborate on the original question like we all are asking?
sure. while wishfully thinking, i look up om606 on wikipedia. i see the 97 - 99 are available in the w210 e 300 turbo diesel. then i think i search 1999 mercedes turbo diesel wagon and look around. then me with my wishy thinking conveniently forgets that americans are afraid of diesel so my brain assumes there's plenty of w210 e 300 turbo diesel wagons in USA. this all happens over a period of about 8 months and i asked now since i have the money to make the purchase. then i get the bad news about no td wagons in USA.

i'm now looking at a 2003 jetta tdi wagon with a manual trans.

let it be noted that my vehicle/engine choices revolve around potential to delete the engine ecu.
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Old 09-08-2014, 12:48 AM
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sure. while wishfully thinking, i look up om606 on wikipedia. i see the 97 - 99 are available in the w210 e 300 turbo diesel. then i think i search 1999 mercedes turbo diesel wagon and look around. then me with my wishy thinking conveniently forgets that americans are afraid of diesel so my brain assumes there's plenty of w210 e 300 turbo diesel wagons in USA. this all happens over a period of about 8 months and i asked now since i have the money to make the purchase. then i get the bad news about no td wagons in USA.

i'm now looking at a 2003 jetta tdi wagon with a manual trans.

let it be noted that my vehicle/engine choices revolve around potential to delete the engine ecu.
I would strongly urge you buy the VW tdi, if you're looking for reliability between them - all things being equal going in.
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If you're dead set on removing the engine ECU, then go with a W123 240D or 300D. They already don't have one. The newest ones were made in 1985, so you will experience old car issues, but if you know how to wrench, this will not be a deal killer.
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If you're dead set on removing the engine ECU, then go with a W123 240D or 300D. They already don't have one. The newest ones were made in 1985, so you will experience old car issues, but if you know how to wrench, this will not be a deal killer.
i've already got a 300sd. some day i'm going to pick up a nice & clean white/grey one and bag it. i'd prefer not to daily drive one. also, over a w123 or 240d or 300d i'd much prefer a volvo 760 turbo diesel or a bmw 524td if i'm going mid size sedan or wagon of that era. i've got a "dream list" of cars i'd like to build/collect...mtdi powered vw cabriolet, 4bt or 6bt powered poptop dodge ramcharger, and a few others, all mechanically controlled turbo diesels.
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sure. while wishfully thinking, i look up om606 on wikipedia. i see the 97 - 99 are available in the w210 e 300 turbo diesel. then i think i search 1999 mercedes turbo diesel wagon and look around. then me with my wishy thinking conveniently forgets that americans are afraid of diesel so my brain assumes there's plenty of w210 e 300 turbo diesel wagons in USA. this all happens over a period of about 8 months and i asked now since i have the money to make the purchase. then i get the bad news about no td wagons in USA.

i'm now looking at a 2003 jetta tdi wagon with a manual trans.

let it be noted that my vehicle/engine choices revolve around potential to delete the engine ecu.
They never imported any W210 Diesel Wagons in the US. They were only sedan diesels. The W210 wagons you are seeing are M112 gassers (V6s). I remember telling you this in at least two other threads. The last MB diesel wagon was the '87 300TD W124. Maybe consider looking into one of those.
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Why would you want to defeat the ecu? Or remove the EGR. The gains of doing this are slim, the impact on the environment large, and the potential fines are more than the value of the car, or the cost of twenty years of fuel savings.

I owned an '99 E320 from new. It wasn't worth a damn as a daily driver off the showroom floor. If I hadn't bought the extended warranty, it would have been gone in two years. I averaged $2K a year in unexpected surprises. These included a differential, a transmission control unit, both cats and all four O2 sensors, steering rack, radio, electrical gremlins (make that electrical ogres), annual repairs to the a/c system, rust, rust and more rust. If anyone wants to suggest that it wasn't well maintained, please explain: this machine lived at the dealership, and spent half it's road time being chauffeured around on a flatbed. If you like spending your time flat on your back under the car, it's perfect.

I read about people who are happy with these as drivers, and I don't get the joke. If someone asks this question seriously, why would you do this to a stranger? The W210 was a catastrophe for Mercedes, it's taken them years to rebuild their image.
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Why would you want to defeat the ecu? Or remove the EGR. The gains of doing this are slim,
NO. no they are not slim. as in hundreds_of_horsepower not. dieselmeken has proved this without a doubt.
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They never imported any W210 Diesel Wagons in the US. They were only sedan diesels. The W210 wagons you are seeing are M112 gassers (V6s). I remember telling you this in at least two other threads. The last MB diesel wagon was the '87 300TD W124. Maybe consider looking into one of those.
it was one thread besides this one. i KNOW NOW that the td wagons didn't hit the USA. i've already stated this. see the frownyface? i'm not looking for a td wagon that's older than late 90's so unfortunately the w124 is out. i'm looking at a mkIV jetta tdi wagon at the moment.

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Old 09-08-2014, 12:15 PM
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it was one thread besides this one. i KNOW NOW that the td wagons didn't hit the USA. i've already stated this. see the frownyface? i'm not looking for a td wagon that's older than late 90's so unfortunately the w124 is out. i'm looking at a mkIV jetta tdi wagon at the moment.

why?

the W124 diesel wagon is a wonderful vehicle. and NO COMPUTERS MESSING WITH THE CAR!!!

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NO. no they are not slim. as in hundreds_of_horsepower not. dieselmeken has proved this without a doubt.
You mean the guy in Finland who reworks IP pumps with oversize delivery valves? You'd be hard pressed to prove a gain of a single pony with a stock motor.
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You mean the guy in Finland who reworks IP pumps with oversize delivery valves? You'd be hard pressed to prove a gain of a single pony with a stock motor.
who said *anything* about stock? not me.
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Old 09-08-2014, 01:47 PM
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603 should be able to push 400hp pretty easily. The problem is that 87 was *the* last year. Any examples on the market are going to be either highly thought of by the owner or completely ratted out. Not much in between there. Not sure on TX laws but in GA 25 years and older is smog exempt. I patiently wait for the day that I can put a 606 in a 91+ wagon.

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