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DeliveryValve 11-17-2014 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by engatwork (Post 3408501)
The Mobil 1 ESP 0W30 has the 229.51 spec listed on the back along with a couple other 229.5x specs. I just completed service on an 09 Bluetec using it. I am thinking through the winter the 0W30 will be fine. Will have to look for some ESP 5W40 next spring when it returns for service.
Probably should look for it now, because in the spring there may not be any Mobil 1 ESP 5w40 left.


If you wait until spring for a 5w40, you may have to consider using these excellent oils..
Pentosin High Performance II 5w40
Castrol Edge Turbo Diesel 5w40

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DeliveryValve 11-17-2014 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chronometers (Post 3408671)
M1 0w40 was factory fill for subject vehicle I think. Based on the service history, Mercedes dealers switched to 5w40 ESP when servicing the vehicle probably because that type could be used for newer vehicles with particulate filters.

I will probably go back to 0w40 for my next oil change.

I have been using m1 5w40 turbo truck in my 1995 e300 but it is not MB approved for the later self-monitoring technology so I am not sure it would be OK to use in the newer vehicles.
There have been folks using TDT in their 2005-2006 CDI with great success. It's when the model change over in 2007 to a DPF is when you can't use TDT.

Graham 11-17-2014 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jcyuhn (Post 3408877)
My memory says that diesel cars did not have this sensor, only gasoline motors got it. Both gas and diesel cars received the FSS system, but the inputs and algorithms were different between them.
I am sure you are right, at least on the W210s when FSS first appeared. Makes sense not to put the quality sensor on diesels if it wouldn't work!

engatwork 11-17-2014 04:14 PM
I am working under the impression you got to have that ESP designation to protect the emission system. Application I am currently working with is an 09 E class Bluetec.

DeliveryValve 11-17-2014 05:43 PM
Yes ESP (Emission System Protection), is Mobil 1's own brand. These have special low ash formulations that are designed with lower levels of phosphorus and sulfur to protect vehicles with the diesel particulate filters. For the 09 CDI, that is very important.

Any approved MB 229.51 spec oil will meet this requirement.


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engatwork 11-17-2014 07:03 PM
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Any approved MB 229.51 spec oil will meet this requirement.
Even if it does not have the ESP rating?

DeliveryValve 11-17-2014 07:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by engatwork (Post 3409057)
Even if it does not have the ESP rating?
Yes. ESP is just a Mobil 1 name.

Here is a list of MB approved 229.51 spec oils.

Mercedes-Benz Specifications for Operating Fluids: Engine Oil, Gear Oil, ATF, Coolant, Brakefluid


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engatwork 11-17-2014 07:29 PM
Good information, thanks for the link:).

chronometers 11-18-2014 10:00 AM
5w40 TDT will work well in 05 06 e320 cdi
 
Is it consensus that M1 5w40 TDT will work well in 05 06 e320 cdi which do not have the particulate filters? The oil does not have MB approval but does have a lot of other approvals.

Would M1 0w40 be a better choice since it is MB approved?

DeliveryValve 11-19-2014 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by chronometers (Post 3409305)
Is it consensus that M1 5w40 TDT will work well in 05 06 e320 cdi which do not have the particulate filters? The oil does not have MB approval but does have a lot of other approvals.

Would M1 0w40 be a better choice since it is MB approved?
Not sure on the consensus, but M1 ESP 0w40 would work.

Your e320 CDI came with the OM648 engine. That engine can also use MB spec 229.31.

This MB oil sheet is from 2006 provided by forum member JHZR2
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/3025501-post25.html
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...32OilSheet.jpg

Another oil option that is readily available and meets the 229.31 spec is Shell Rotella T6 5w40 and Delo 400 LE synthetic 5w40.


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chronometers 11-19-2014 09:53 AM
Do you mean M1 0w40 (European formula)? I have not seen M1 ESP 0w40.

Though 5w40 TDT is not specifically approved by MB, it looks like it meets requirements of the Heavy Duty truck industry and therefore should be useful for the non-PDF vehicles......ie all pre-2007 MB diesels delivered to US.

shertex 11-20-2014 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by chronometers (Post 3409760)

Though 5w40 TDT is not specifically approved by MB, it looks like it meets requirements of the Heavy Duty truck industry and therefore should be useful for the non-PDF vehicles......ie all pre-2007 MB diesels delivered to US.
That is my working assumption these days. Something that's not always brought up in these discussions: there are likely all sorts of factors that come into play affecting how different oils are spec'd. Marketing considerations and fuel economy come to mind. On the twin issues of engine reliability and longevity, I have a very difficult time believing that TDT (and some other oils, for that matter) are not perfectly fine for pre 2007 MB diesels.

DeliveryValve 11-20-2014 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by chronometers (Post 3409760)
Do you mean M1 0w40 (European formula)? I have not seen M1 ESP 0w40.

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I did mean ESP looking at the 229.51 spec sheet. But the 5w40 European Formula meets 229.3 and 229.5 spec, so based on the MB 223.2 sheet, it should be OK.

DeliveryValve 11-20-2014 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by shertex (Post 3410178)
That is my working assumption these days. Something that's not always brought up in these discussions: there are likely all sorts of factors that come into play affecting how different oils are spec'd. Marketing considerations and fuel economy come to mind. On the twin issues of engine reliability and longevity, I have a very difficult time believing that TDT (and some other oils, for that matter) are not perfectly fine for pre 2007 MB diesels.
Agreed ..

atypicalguy 11-29-2014 09:43 AM
Ash?
 
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Originally Posted by DeliveryValve (Post 3408471)
Mobil 1 ESP Formula M 5W-40 is being replaced by Mobil 1™ ESP X1 0W-30.

5W-40 Synthetic Oil | Mobil 1™ ESP Formula M 5W-40
Funny I just dumped nine quarts of that into the Treg yesterday. I use it in all three cars - two diesel, one gas.

So what are you going to use? Pentosin? Fuchs? I wonder if maybe we are paying too much attention to the DPF/sulphated ash stuff and should all just use Delvac 1 or something like this dude:

Lubrication Engineers 8854 in 2011 3.0L VW Touareg | Used Oil Analysis - Diesel | Bob Is The Oil Guy

0W-30 Synthetic Oil | Mobil 1™ ESP X1 0W-30


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