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Old 04-21-2002, 07:47 AM
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Opinions wanter 190D 2.2

I am looking at a 190D 2.2 for sale,I was wondering if anyone has a experiences with these cars

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Old 04-21-2002, 05:00 PM
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Well obviously I do. These are great little cars. Not the quickest car around, but that's a given with a 77 hp engine. These cars handle very smooth and they are quite economical. I get about 30-35 mpg in the city. I love this car so much! I prefer it over my grand cherokee just because it's so smooth. Like typical diesels it has its rough idles, all you have to do is give it a little 'gas' and it smooths right up. I am not sure if block heaters came standard in these cars... if you live up north make sure you have one! And make sure you have fully functional glow plugs... I had no clue I had bad glow plugs last winter (my first winter owning the car, first winter owning a diesel for that matter) and I had a hell of a time getting it started on cold mornings. I killed my battery! Now, it starts like a champ every morning, no need for excessive cranking anymore. These things shift harder (mines auto) than most cars. My solution is to let up on that accelerator when it shifts. I've got under 139k miles on it, the car hasn't had any engine service since 90k miles and my merc mechanic said the engine is in perfect running condition. If the car's clean, and the price is right, go ahead and buy it!!!
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Old 04-22-2002, 10:20 AM
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2.2 vs 2.5?

What are the pros and cons of the 2.2L and the 2.5L versions?

I am thinking I would like a later 2.5L manual, but they're as rare as hens teeth.
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Old 04-22-2002, 01:51 PM
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Too much experience with one

I am probably the wrong person to ask.

I LOVE THE CAR.

I have owned just such a car for over 13 years. The 2.2 is great. I do think that when it is mated to a manual it is quite fun to drive (and I have owned faster cars, 911 Carrera). I agree that a 2.5 manual is more fun, but the 2.2 manual is better than either a 2.2 or 2.5 auto, and, I think, even better than a 2.5 turbo (automatic only).

I still get 35 mpg routinely, and I have gotten as high as 44 with the car even with 300kmi on the original engine. I have gotten over 220kmi on the second clutch.

I have done almost (99%) of the work on the car, so I can talk to you about it in greater detail that I would care to type. Feel free to contact me directly at jjovanovic@factor-ip.com, and I can tell you all you want to know.
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Old 04-22-2002, 07:15 PM
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When I was first looking at diesels, I got very excited by this car. The 2.2 5-speed may not be that fast, but the milage is compareable to a new VW TDI! This is defineately gonna be my next car. I am used to driving smaller cars (Saab, Subaru, Toyota) so my 300TD feels like a tank. A safe tank, but still a tank. I have always thought small sedans were the best cars. The standards get the best milage by far, but the 2.5 turbo from 87 is the fastest. I guess it depends what you are really looking for. Either way, go for it!
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Old 04-23-2002, 03:17 PM
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Question

I'm assuming the 190D's are as reliable as the 300D's, but how about parts availability? Are parts easier to come by, more difficult, or what? Also, are the heads cast-iron or aluminum?

I'm starting to seriously think that, for my use for the car (freeway commuter), a 190D would be better for me than a 300D...especially 'cause you can get a 5sp with the 190D I like the apparent average mileage numbers over the 300D's numbers...

Thanks!
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Old 04-23-2002, 03:45 PM
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The car is basically a scaled down 300 (124). The 190 (201) came out in 1982 (europe) whereas the 124 came out in 1985 (europe). As such, the 124 was a bit more refined and updated; the 201 was the first of the "generation." Having owned one for over a decade, and having owned 123's, 124's and 126's, I believe that the 123 adn 126 cars are more bullet proof. On the other hand, the 124 and 201 have updated systems and are generally more comfortable and efficient cars.

It is true that these cars have the 601-603 engine series. The 4 is the 601, and is generally thought to be the least durable of the bunch. The best one is thought to be the 5 cylinder 602. With that being said, I have a 601 with 324,000 miles that gets 80 miles a day at ~ 75-90 mph. It has a fully original engine.

It is a great car.
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Old 04-23-2002, 06:12 PM
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These cars had the 603 engine as well? I thought they only did the 4, the 5, and the 5 turbo in the 201 chassis.
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Old 04-23-2002, 09:03 PM
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You saying Gwagon reminded me... Does mercedes not sell the new CDIs because of the US's current pollution control? I am sorry that they stopped selling diesel mercedes in the US. I know that VW has the TDIs over here, my sister looked at one (she got the 1.8T because she drove my car ONCE and hates diesel... too slow for her)...
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Old 04-23-2002, 09:21 PM
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You guys are right there are no 603 190's. My reference was to the engine line in general that included 601, 602, 603 variations. The 603's appeared in the 124, 126, 201, 140 and the G wagon.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Old 04-23-2002, 09:22 PM
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(you listed the 201 again!)
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Old 04-24-2002, 08:55 AM
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Do you happen to know the other three states that have adopted the CARB rules?

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Old 04-24-2002, 09:10 PM
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Speaking of emissions. I believe they weren't bringing them over because out diesel is too sulphuric compared to Euro Diesel. Because of the Sulphur it'll eat away the emissions pretty quick.


BTW Bill hear about those new Emissions standards they are trying to implement in the DFW area? I think they've been using it in Houston for a little while. If so do they even car about our Diesels (I'm pretty sure I'm exempt, but you never know)
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