What would you rather have? A 1985 190D with 300,000 miles or a 84 190E with 74,000 miles.

Depends. Is one of them stick? Is the gasser a Cosworth?

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83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 400,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 22,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.

Both 4 speed auto. 2.2 190d, 2.3 190e. 190d needs vacuum pump and lifters. 190e needs complete exhaust system. Cosmetically they are both close to the same, 190e is better shape overall.

190E, no question. If both are in similar condition then 74k miles beats the tar out of 300k miles. Gas vs. diesel be damned, everything from the window switches to the sun visors and backup lights and seat belts has 1/4 the use and wear and tear. There's a LOT more to be considered with a high mileage vehicle than just the engine.

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617 swapped Toyota Pickup, 22-24 MPG, 50k miles on swap

+1 to OM617Yota Keep in mind if the 190E is more expensive now, the 190D will end up being the same with all the repairs that will need to be done.

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74K miles on a 84 car? Let be real. It has to be a museum piece and close to pristine if mileage is to be believed. All rubber would be brittle for both cars. The diesel has TRUE mileage IMO.

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W124 Keyless remote, PM for details. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-used-parts-sale-wanted/334620-fs-w124-chasis-keyless-remote-%2450-shipped.html

1 X 2006 CDI
1 x 87 300SDL
1 x 87 300D
1 x 87 300TDT wagon
1 x 83 300D
1 x 84 190D ( 5 sp ) - All R134 converted + keyless entry.

Where's the 190D? I'd like to see it, might buy it.

BTW, how do you know it needs lifters?

Did it have a catastrophic failure? What's the body condition and paint?

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1950 170SD
1951 Citroen 11BN
1953 Citroen 11BNF limo
1953 220a project
1959 180D
1960 190D
1960 Borgward Isabella TS 2dr
1983 240D daily driver
1983 380SL
1990 350SDL daily driver alt
3 x Citroen DS21M, down from 5
3 x Citroen 2CV, down from 6

190e hands down

The M102 is a pretty sturdy little motor, and if it dies, you can always swap in a diesel, like I did with mine. The transmissions work with either engine fine.

Mine is a former 190e 2.3 with a 1984 OM601 (2.2) diesel. Its running with the 1993 auto trans and driveline, 0 problems. Slow as heck though.

My engine has about 270k on it, but I have redone the vac pump, entire belt system, all lifters, timing chain, air cleaner rubber pieces, delivery valves and seals, and the injector nozzles. Runs perfectly, loses/burns less than 1/2 qt of oil in 5000+ miles between changes.

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-diesel is not just a fuel, its a way of life-
'15 GLK250 Bluetec 118k - mine - (OC-123,800)
'17 Metris(VITO!) - 37k - wifes (OC-41k)
'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

I guess it depends on your priorities...
Fuel economy? D
Ease of maintenance? D
Current value? E
Performance? E
Resale value? D


I'd vote D, but I'm partial to the D... Um, Diesel That is.

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

I tried to post pictures but it's not letting me. The cars are both mine, just figuring out which would be the best to keep cost wise. I have 2 190ds right now and really like them. I'm a Diesel guy myself.

So the 190E is everybodys answer?

for myself, I would hate to throw away years of learning all the quirks of the diesel model to start in on the gasser model.

it is possible to have 75000 miles -- I have one! But I agree-- it's all the rubber and all those electrical connections

Not me... I had to maintain a 93 190E2.3


No thanks!

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
1987 300TD
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

Is there anyway you can buy both? I really enjoy the fuel econ on the D, but being able to speed up is nice with the E

74k is the kicker if legit

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1985 190D 2.2 auto--gone
1975 240D 4-speed--storage
1985 500SEL--daily driver
1985 300TD--bad rust, soon to part out...
1982 300SD--waiting on engine from RD
1984 190E--storage
1996 Dodge 2500 Cummins--daily driver

Get the 5 cilynder turbo it has the same horsepower and more torque