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Diesel911 01-24-2015 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mach4 (Post 3433630)
You are absolutely correct!

All I was suggesting was that most of the electrical issue posts start with something along the lines of "all of a sudden my car would't start", and then a string of helpful suggestions ensue. Since the first sign of trouble is only the result of a period of time where the problem existed previously, it would be nice to conveniently at a glance reference the battery voltage before starting and monitor the voltage while driving as early warning of an electrical problem headed toward a non-start situation, often in less than optimal conditions. I realize that volt meters that plug into the cigar lighter do not provide that information (unless they are plugged in at the time) and are therefore less than useful. A cheap HF multimeter is preferred for troubleshooting, but it's kind of inconvenient to try to get a voltage reading while driving as manipulating those little probes are tricky one handed and popping the hood to get a battery reading all the time is kind of a pain.

Recognizing the lack of utility I didn't get one of those cheap cigar volt meters, choosing to add voltage monitoring to my other system status monitors - fuel pressure, EGT, trans temp, oil temp, intake temp, engine bay temp, boost and vacuum.

I have a Plug/Connector to go into the Cigar Ligher that simply has to wires coming out of it with Alligator Clips. One of the things I can do with that is use the Alligator Clips to connect it to a regular Volt Meter. However you need to keep the leads separated.

The Alligator Clips are also handy if you need to power something to test it inside of the Car.

JHZR2 01-24-2015 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mach4 (Post 3433605)
When I had my alternator issue last sumer, I resolved not to drive without a volt meter as a warning and monitoring system for the alternator and battery. While I ended up incorporating a voltage monitor in my Arduino/Android bluetooth engine monitoring gauge setup, my original thought was to just get one of these
off dBay


http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/...1&d=1422034054

....actually, I still may for the other cars.


+1 to this. There are a few brands of these and I do recommend them. For convenience, there are some that have a voltmeter and USB charger in one.

Very useful tool.

OP, the voltage regulators on these cars don't take the battery voltage as high as is desirable, and so that doesn't help. Neither does GA summer heat. 4 years on a battery in a hot climate, if perpetually undercharged, can be condemnation time.

Diesel911 01-26-2015 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JHZR2 (Post 3434343)
+1 to this. There are a few brands of these and I do recommend them. For convenience, there are some that have a voltmeter and USB charger in one.

Very useful tool.

OP, the voltage regulators on these cars don't take the battery voltage as high as is desirable, and so that doesn't help. Neither does GA summer heat. 4 years on a battery in a hot climate, if perpetually undercharged, can be condemnation time.

That has the same construction as one of the ones I have.

Bosch Alternator Regulator Modification with diode to increase resistance
http://www.detomaso.nu/~thomast/alternator/
I am not sure the above link still works but there is also a thread some where were one of our Members did the Mod to the Voltage Regulator.

Also the wattage of the Charging Light makes a difference.

When I changed the Chassis to Battery Ground cable my Charging Voltae went up slightly.

JHZR2 01-26-2015 02:43 AM

Link didn't work for me. IIRC, the intent was to modify the regulator by putting a diode in series with the chassis ground on the regulator (via its screw), which gives a 0.5-0.9v drop depending upon type. Thus the alt charging voltage will increase by that much. This could be an issue in very hot conditions but otherwise seems smart.

One can very easily see is alternator ground is an issue by installing a small jumper with alligator clips between the alternator and the engine, the chassis and the battery, and noting changes.

Thing with that is that even a high impedance neutral should still be sufficient to set charging potentials...

Diesel911 01-26-2015 11:49 PM

I found the thread of the Member that did the mod:

Alternator Low Voltage - this worked apparently

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/273474-alternator-low-voltage-worked-apparently.html



Unfotunately it still has the defunct website as the source of the info.


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