the lever on the tranny or the shifter?

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

On trans-like this picture shows

http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/attachment.php?aid=794

charmalu is there any way you could give me a bit of a wider view on that ID pic so i can figure out where it is? I have scraped gunk, used wire brush, etc on all of the flat parts i can find on my old trans & just can't find it. Is it on shift lever side or the other side? I found the cast "Mercedes" ID, but I know the numbers I need are stamped.

Unfortunately, it's in my trunk & I can't get it out so I'm sort of stuck as far as just spraying it down with a degreaser for now.

Thanks

OOPS.... I didn`t catch that when I proofed read before hitting the submit button.

Thanks for the catch Tom.

Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

Here is a good thread showing the arrangement of the shift levers for the two types of manual trans used in the 240D`s.

82 240d shifter rod arrangment

Post #5 is a picture like the one you have?

I looked at the transmissions I have, and the aluminum case trans is a 716.210. The reverse lever (rear one) points up.

The numbers are on the opposite side down low from the shift levers.
Looking at the trans from the rear, will be on the right side.

Here is another good layout of the transmission shift levers. Yours is probably Fig. #2

| Repair Guides | Manual Transmission | Adjustment | AutoZone.com

Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

charmalu you are correct-both of those pictures are what mine is. I just want to get the #'s off of both to be 100% sure they are exactly the same. Thank you for the description of where the #'s are. I hope I get a break from the rain to figure this out today. That first post has a better diagram too than the one I got just for the shifter parts.

EUREKA!...sort of, but not really. 1st off, I verified by the #s that they ARE indeed the same transmissions

I called a specialty transmission shop in CA(can I name names here?). Was told that the reverse lever on the transmission was loose & I would probably get 1-3 turns out of it-6mm allen wrench.

Sure enough it was loose. Tightened it, but while I was tightening, the lever moved to the R position & not thinking, I left it there & tightened some more. It was a pain to get to because the rods were in the way. So, in my infinite wisdom I decided to take it back to the mechanic & tell him to finish tightening it. When I got in the car & started it I thought I would try R now, but I couldn't get it in that gear. I tried to put it in 1. I can't get it in any of the gears now. So thinking that I have to loosen R back up to get it back to the neutral position I jacked it back up.

The very last thing that I did before I let the car down though was measure the throw of R to see if it helped & it did shorten it. I moved the R lever on the trans several times before I dropped the car & tried to move it. But, now the R lever won't move at all, even after I loosed it. I never let the clutch out when the car was running.

I took a flat screwdriver & slightly pried the R lever away from the trans after I had loosened it a bit & that didn't help. I also took the rod loose from the shift lever, thinking that it wasn't allowing enough movement & that didn't help either.

What now?

You are getting warm.

Now re-read post #4.

You will now have to get the reverse lever in the neutral position with the shift rod removed.
Then follow the direction to center the levers on the shift assy with a nail or drill bit etc...

Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

Charlie, thank you for so much help on this! I hope that in the near future I won't have to lean on this forum to help me make one good trans out of the 2 that I have because I messed this one up.

I CAN NOT get this R lever to move. I have loosened the bolt/screw more than it was before I tightened it. I thought, maybe, since I lowered the car after tightening, the car might have rolled slightly & jammed against R & that's why it won't move even after loosening the R lever bolt/screw. I tried to rock the car a bit before I jacked it back up, blocked the rear wheels, the P brake was not engaged, then jacked it up.

I just don't know what to do now to get that R lever to move. I will entertain any ideas at this point. I can get under this car(barely) without it jacked up or on jack stands. Would it possibly work if I had someone rock the car, by pushing, while I am under it trying to move the R lever? Seriously, at this point I am willing to try anything

What kind of surface are you working on? Dirt, Concrete or Asphalt?

Do you have Jack Stands and a Hydraulic Jack?

You need to jack up the rear of the car, block the front wheels, set the rear on Jack Stands. If on Dirt or Asphalt, put some 12" x 12" 1/2" Plywood under the stands so they don`t sink into the surface. If the base of the stands is larger, then a bigger piece of Plywood. 3/4" would be better if you have it.

You also need to be on level ground.

DO NOT use the Hydraulic Jack to hold the car, and get under it.

After you are safely and securely raised. Take it out of gear and release the Parking Brake.

Now you can turn the DL and work the Reverse Lever on the trans.
This way you are not working against the DL putting any pressure on the Gears.

I have a bad trans in the shop, I`ll remove the bolt on the Reverse lever to see how it comes out/apart.

This is what the Form is here for, to help, and to learn, and by doing.
Safety in numbers.




Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works

LIZA IS FIXED!!! I wasn't able to get both back wheels off of the ground at the same time-I couldn't figure out where to put the floor jack. I raised & lowered the drivers side rear tire a couple of times with my car jack, trying to figure out how to get the jack stand under it. I turned the tire back & forth as much as I could to try to take the pressure off R.

With the rear back on the ground I shimmied under & the R lever finally moved back to the N position. I'm glad I live in the country, otherwise my neighbors would have called the looney wagon on me when I started whooping & hollering-I was so happy & relieved! After it was finally back to N a friend stopped by & suggested that maybe I could have had someone put the clutch in & then the lever on the side of the trans might have moved back to N-I will never know if that would have worked, but just an added thought if anyone else has this issue.

I took the shift lever off the trans in my trunk to see what I was dealing with. I will post pictures of that. There is a wavy "thing" on the back of the lever that seats to the transmission. Because the lever was loose the wavy part was allowed to move over too many bumps (thus the longer throw). I really hope the pictures will help this make sense.

Then I adjusted the shift linkage & she works great in R! THEN I went to the shop that put the trans in & chewed the owners a$$.

THANK YOU TO EVERYONE THAT HELPED ME WITH THIS, WHETHER A LITTLE OR A LOT! I learned so much

These are pictures of the neutral position for reverse, bolt & wavy part that was skipping too far because it was loose

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after rereading I realized that you were talking about my 2nd reference to a "lever" in #15. It's actually the shift linkage, directly below the gear shift, where the linkage connects to the rod. Is it natural to have so much slop or will that be taken care of when I replace the shifter bushings up above it?

Sorry for my terrible understanding of what all of these parts are called, this is my first time dealing with any shifter/transmission issues

Well good you got her figured out.

I took the lever of my spare junk trans this afternoon, and found what you posted.
You beat me to it.

A 6mm Hex Bit fits the bolt, once removed, the lever just wiggles out.
I thought there was a Rubber "O" Ring to seal the lever.
Just looks like a plastic ring.

Charlie

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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works