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Oil seperator drain throwing up
So I long suspected it but I beleive I now know for sure. When I drive the car under 3000 rpm there's no problem. When I floor it on the highway or to merge, etc and run the car hard oil comes up both the oil dipstick tube and the oil seperator tube.
I'm sure this is why I get a puddle of oil in my air cleaner housing. Because it stays dry for so long as Im not driving the car hard. But just one episode of running at high rpm and I have oil in the housing and running down the outside of the drain tube as well. I know I need new orings, but that wouldn't stop the oil from entering the oil seperator and overflowing. There should be a valve in the drain tube. I guess that isn't working.
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I think there is a check valve in "upper oil pan" below the oil drain-back tube. Try blowing thru the tube with your mouth. I feel something pop open under slight pressure like a valve. Yours could be clogged. However, I think you should get just faint oil if there is minimal blow-by past the rings, maybe a few ounces in a 100 mile drive. That is more likely your problem. See you-tube videos to judge your blow-by. If so, there is no easy cure unless you believe the magic bottles at auto parts. The magic is how they separate desperate owners from their money.
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I will try mucking with it and trying with a mightyvac to see if oil comes up.
Maybe I'll try reving it up and see if oil comes up. Im not putting my mouth on it. Deisel oil is terrible. Once I tried blowing through a crankcase vent tube on a Jetta deisel and I got a chemical burn on my tongue that changed the way the cells on the end of my tounge looked. Took a year to go back to looking normal.
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The blowby couldnt condensate fast enough to generate the quantity of oil that ends up in my air filter housing in the short time that it appears there.
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If oil is bubbling up, the crankcase vent tube may be collapsed...
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Vent on top of the valve cover is a hard tube and I just replaced both rubber ends.
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Course maybe its not big enough to accept all the blowby from a mid life engine.
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I fixed this issue on a 1995 300D with water therapy.
The car would blow oil out of the dipstick tube above 2700rpm, or on heavy load, consistently. Sense the engine was an N/A, the windshield washer pump was powerful enough (30psi+) to inject water into the intake crossover pipe. On a turbo engine, the water needs to be injected after the turbo into the pressurized intake manifold. A 50psi 12v RV water system pump will work. With the engine up to operating temp. we injected water under light load at hwy. speed and gradually increased the engine load. We ended on the long, steep, hill, at WOT. After doing this, we could not get oil to blow out the dipstick tube under any circumstances. The engine started easier and ran smoother. Do at your own risk. YMMV.
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Well I just cleaned it out again. I like to clean it instead of it blowing out the water drain down the side of the spring mount.
It's not much oil. Maybe a few paper towels worth to get the puddle cleaned up. I havent tried sealing the oil seperator like some have. I have cleaned it and rehammered the tabs that lock the lid on. Seems tight. I'll have to do some more experiments to figure out if it's occasionally belching up some oil from the drain tube.
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Greg that is the strangest thing I've ever heard of. Why did that work? Does it score and reseat the rings?
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You need enough water to violently vaporize in the cylinder. Not too much to kill the combustion heat or, at the extreme, cause hydro-lock. Search this site, in the Diesel Performance Tuning section, and the internet, for "water injection" and/or "methanol injection".
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Sounds like a crankcase ventilation problem because the pressure can't get out where it should (valve cover) so the pressure is taking the next path to atmosphere, up from the dipstick & breather. Your valve cover tube may be fine but the internal baffling might be plugged up. if you have a spare oil cap, drill as big a hole in it you can, hook up a hose and run it to a bottle and go drive it, it it stops puking oil up the breather & dipstick, there ya go, restricted breather.
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Volvo 240s are good about coking-up, Lots of oil vapor works its way into the engine despite a large oil separator. We would routinely take off a vacuum line off the intake and allow it to siphon Seafoam at higher RPMs; this did the same thing... GM dealers also have a product for this purpose alone, does good work at getting rid of carbon in the bores/heads.
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I blew thru a rubber hose attached to the drain tube.
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That's good! lol
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