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Old 04-01-2015, 05:22 PM
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2005/6 CDI Shopping

I have set up a spread sheet for 2005/6 CDI shopping for online listings. Mercedes Shopping Spreadsheet
It calculates the comparative cost / year of use to 300k miles at 20k / year. I figured that by 300k, all the cars would be worth about the same in the marketplace + or (-) for condition. It's not exact by any means, but it allows me one metric to compare cars with different mileage.

Example:
2005 CDI $7,995 171k $1242/year for 6.4 years to reach 300k at 20k/year
park-tronic, side screens, rear screen, light washers, active bi-xenon, HK sound, CD changer, heated seats, keyless go

2006 CDI $13,995 68k $1205/year for 11.6 years to reach 300k at 20k/year
rear screen, CD changer, heated seats

I have checked the boxes for each of the options on the car according to the data card for the VIN. The options on a used car do not seem to affect the asking price by much, if any. It is interesting to see how common, or rare, some of the options are.

I have yet to find any CDI's with:
Distronic cruise control
Solar panel in the Pan-o-roof
Active suspension
4 Zone HVAC

Without accounting for the cost of money, you can own a CDI for as little as $100/month for the time to 300k miles. If you account for any salvage value after you reach 300k, then the cost will be less.

Of course, it will cost you more if you then want to license it, insure it, fuel it, maintain it, and repair it.

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Old 04-01-2015, 05:47 PM
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Unfortunately, the cost of options aren't recoverable. So, that's always a wild card on resale.

What the marketplace offers are used car prices and miles on them all over the board. So, there's no consistency to base an accurate spreadsheet on them.

The only exact way to gauge how much something actually has cost you is on sale day. It can then be reduced to the timespan owned, and all costs per mile covered, which will then include the cost of the purchase in the first place.

So, controlling costs going in on any used vehicle is always a roll of the dice as per repair cost, and of course the amount spent when driving it.

What is controllable is deciding which car to buy at what price. What the outcome of that is depends on cost per mile going forward, and luck of what the costs of repair will be.

Some are dazzled by tons of options. Still others are fixated on the lowest possible price to obtain a very high mileage vehicle, with a totally uncertain future, and lowered expectations because of their diminished useful life span remaining.

Others are focused on low-mileage cars for the lowest possible price, without scads of options that always seem to break or fail, costing more in repair dollars.

One size does not fit all in shopping for used cars here. Further, the intended use of the car differs widely here as well.
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Old 04-01-2015, 06:26 PM
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Nice! I wish I had that when I bought mine.
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Old 04-03-2015, 01:18 AM
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I have set up a spread sheet for 2005/6 CDI shopping for online listings. Mercedes Shopping Spreadsheet

I have yet to find any CDI's with:
Distronic cruise control
Solar panel in the Pan-o-roof
Active suspension
4 Zone HVAC
Yes, that is neat! It's interesting to see the optional equipment for all the cars currently on the market.

I have seen lone examples with either 4 Zone HVAC, Airmatic suspension or Pacific Blue leather (special order option on the '03 & '04 W211) before though! These options were only available on very early U.S. CDI builds (01/04-05/04), so extremely rare. Especially as they only imported around 3000 CDI's to the U.S. in the 2004 calendar year IIRC.
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Old 04-03-2015, 11:02 AM
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Yes, that is neat! It's interesting to see the optional equipment for all the cars currently on the market.

I have seen lone examples with either 4 Zone HVAC, Airmatic suspension or Pacific Blue leather (special order option on the '03 & '04 W211) before though! These options were only available on very early U.S. CDI builds (01/04-05/04), so extremely rare. Especially as they only imported around 3000 CDI's to the U.S. in the 2004 calendar year IIRC.

Of 56 cars on the sheet:
2 - panoramic roof
3 - tire pressure sensors
4 - parktronic
4 - heated steering wheel
4 - heated + cooled seats
7 - keyless go
8 - dynamic seats
9 - trunk closer
10 - folding rear seats, 8 - ski bag
10 - Bi-Xenon curve w/headlight washers
29 - rear door sun screens
29 - sat. nav.
35 - harmon kardon sound
37 - heated seats
46 - rear window shade
50 - CD changer

My personal opinion on options, nothing to do with what you would or should want.
Panoramic roof is a novelty. Neat to show off. Not really useful to me as I always sit up front. With the solar panel, it would be useful.
Parktronic is not needed as much on a sedan. On the ML, where you cannot really see the corners of the vehicle, it is useful.
Heated steering wheel is really nice when your car has been sitting outside at -20 all day
Heated seats, the same
Cooled seats seems like it could be a nice feature.
TPS is useful.
Keyless go seems like a novelty that may be more trouble than it's worth. I've never had the experience.
Dynamic seats are very nice.
Trunk closer, novelty.
Folding rear seats, I want, I want, I don't have.
Sun screens, useful.
Bi-Xenon active curve w/washers: the washers are useful, the lights I like.
CD changer should be standard equipment
Sat. Nav. should be standard. I was surprised how many did not have it.

For where I live and the way we use the car I would want:
Folding rear seats
Dynamic heated/cooled seats
Heated steering
Bi-Xenon w/washers
TPS
Sun screens
Sat. nav. / CD changer

I read a posting by someone who had driven a car with distronic cruise control. They thought is was the coolest option they had ever experienced.
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Old 04-04-2015, 03:08 PM
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Yes, that is neat! It's interesting to see the optional equipment for all the cars currently on the market.

I have seen lone examples with either 4 Zone HVAC, Airmatic suspension or Pacific Blue leather (special order option on the '03 & '04 W211) before though! These options were only available on very early U.S. CDI builds (01/04-05/04), so extremely rare. Especially as they only imported around 3000 CDI's to the U.S. in the 2004 calendar year IIRC.
I would avoid especially the airmatic suspensions and the pano-roofs. Not sure why the need for a 4-zone HVAC. That sounds like another problematic area as well. The moonroofs are great, until they malfunction and or leak water. I seem to recall the Pacific Blue color.
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:07 PM
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Of all of my options I'd love distronic.

I'd like to see a bare binges car. I figured they all had nav and the HK system
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Old 04-05-2015, 12:22 AM
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Of all of my options I'd love distronic.

I'd like to see a bare binges car. I figured they all had nav and the HK system
HK, yes. NAV? No. I'm a big fan of the German purest MBs. All that optional jazz is to appease the U.S. market. If mine had roll - up windows vs electronic lifts - you can guess how I'd order it.

My little Brother that owns my old E300 with tons of options on it, lives and dies for the moonroof. Ack!
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Old 04-05-2015, 12:35 AM
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Sunroofs are awesome, especially if its a manual one from a 240D. I actually use them quite frequently.
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Old 04-05-2015, 12:27 PM
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HK, yes. NAV? No. I'm a big fan of the German purest MBs. All that optional jazz is to appease the U.S. market. If mine had roll - up windows vs electronic lifts - you can guess how I'd order it.
Fewest number of options of any car I found, and it's in TX.

Fewest number of options with HK sound.

I thought you were interested in the folding rear seats. Not really fancy, but quite useful to some people.
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Previous:
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1982 300D, on WVO
1983 300CD, on WVO
1986 300SDL 237k, 25k on WVO (Deerslayer)
1991 350SDL 249k, 56k on WVO - Retired to a car spa in Phoenix
1983 380 SEC w/603 diesel, 8k on WVO
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Old 04-05-2015, 01:50 PM
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In regards to shopping...

One thing that I find interesting is the disproportionately high number of CDI's for sale which have salvage titles.

The only thing I can hypothesize is that repair costs are so high that perhaps a relatively minor collision can cause an insurance company to total-out these cars? (Is this a commonality with all w211 cars?)

The funny thing is how a lot of those (salvage car) sellers also have the most unrealistically high pricing.

P.S. - Thank you GregMN for the spreadsheet. That's an excellent way to gain rational perspective on potential purchases.
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One thing that I find interesting is the disproportionately high number of CDI's for sale which have salvage titles.

The only thing I can hypothesize is that repair costs are so high that perhaps a relatively minor collision can cause an insurance company to total-out these cars?

The funny thing is how a lot of those (salvage car) sellers also have the most unrealistically high pricing.

P.S. - Thank you GregMN for the spreadsheet. That's an excellent way to gain rational perspective on potential purchases.

I noticed that too. I wouldn't not look at a salvage titled car if it was repaired well, but I would expect to pay less for it compared to a clean titled one.

Maybe the seller bought it to repair and flip, but the market dropped faster than he could get it fixed.

I made some changes to the sheet:
You can enter what you think a current value is of 300k car
You enter the number of miles you drive / year.
I also now list the percent of cars on the sheet that have each option.

The future salvage value at 300k is calculated by deducting $200/year from the current salvage value at 300k.
So a car that is worth $5000 with 300k on it today (10 years old) would be worth $3000 with 300k on it 10 years from now (20 years old).
It is just off the top of my head figuring, no science or actuarial studies involved. Maybe I should change the reduction to a percent of the current salvage value... later.
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1983 240D, on WVO
1982 300D, on WVO
1983 300CD, on WVO
1986 300SDL 237k, 25k on WVO (Deerslayer)
1991 350SDL 249k, 56k on WVO - Retired to a car spa in Phoenix
1983 380 SEC w/603 diesel, 8k on WVO
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Old 04-05-2015, 06:23 PM
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Fewest number of options of any car I found, and it's in TX.

Fewest number of options with HK sound.

I thought you were interested in the folding rear seats. Not really fancy, but quite useful to some people.
TheDon was interested in seeing "bare binges" ones.

I'm very interested in learning how the folding rear seats work.

Lack of folding rear seats wasn't a deal-breaker for me. However, airmatic and or pano-roof? That would be.

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TheDon was interested in seeing "bare binges" ones.

I'm very interested in learning how the folding rear seats work.

Lack of folding rear seats wasn't a deal-breaker for me. However, airmatic and or pano-roof? That would be.
I think you mean "bare bones" model. I thought all W211s came with folding rear seats, or was that an option? I wonder how much it cost if it was an option.
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I wonder how much it cost if it was an option.
The cost for the optional split folding seats was $540 back in '05. Today on the '15 E250 BlueTEC,
you have to order the $4380 premium package to get them!


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