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W210 airbox modification thread
Hi all,
I have decided to post up a thread which will be more of a R&D experiment with my E300 project. I am going to be doing modifications to the stock airbox on my W210 to see what the differences are with different setups and the best route for any performance gains over and above the stock setup. Firstly here are some specs on the stock setup - basically everything feeding into the turbo:
Here are my comments on what is good about this setup:
Here are my comments on what could be improved:
Here is the issue I have with the front facing air intake: To get to the airbox the air must:
I have just gone out and simply removed the small 90 degree plastic piece between the front facing air intake and the bottom of the air box, I have just test driven it and this is what I have found:
Please be aware that the whole engine is bone stock, it is running a new PAPER air filter which again highlights how the drop in 'performance' air filters aren't necessarily going to give increases in performance. This is just an initial test, I will get up some photos soon for everyone to comment, so far its cost me nothing and I have performance gains. I am aware that the engine will be sucking in slightly warmer air, however the stock air box is well out of the way and there is plenty of air flow around that side of the engine bay. I have also kept the stock front facing air intake so that would also supply some fresher air towards the intake area. The bottom of the stock airbox actually sits on the side of the engine bay and is shielded from any water from the road. Here are a few things I am thinking about testing out:
I might also try:
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First update on this, just driven to work with the small connector removed, throttle response is much better and overtaking is better as the engine now gets the additional air when it demands it easier.
There is a slight increase in induction noise when accelerating however not the usual induction roar - I guess its because the turbo is quite small so isn't pulling as much air! |
Second update, I have now replaced the airbox with a standard generic induction kit filter, there has been an improvement in throttle response as well as overall smooth running of the engine.
The car now picks up better from a standstill and the shifts seem smoother, also the boost builds up much smoother and quicker than before. You can hear the additional air coming into the engine and when you let off the throttle you can hear the turbo spool down - although it sounds like a blow off/recirc valve I know diesels don't have them. I will report back with my findings with fitting a generic induction kit filter to the stock setup, it seems that the stock box is slightly restrictive at the lower end. |
Could you attach pics of your setup? Thanks!
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The stock air box is massive so there is a lot of space on that side, one thing to note is that you need to move the turbo vacuum transducer as that is attached to the airbox as well, I think I simply reused the bracket and attached it elsewhere: http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...psvfluqoby.jpg http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l4...psc5lo3u8w.jpg |
Eliminating twists and turns is always beneficial to intake and exhaust systems, as is smoothing out the piping in those areas so the pipes are slippery to air. If you can modify the intake so that it takes in ram air from the front, has minimal bends, is smooth inside, and isn't gummed up with soot from the EGR, you'll be golden.
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Yep, a catch can full of fine steel wool will catch all the oil and you can put a small breather filter on the can of you want to eliminate the extra port on the intake altogether.
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very interested in these mods
please keep us to date and with pics of everything thanks |
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You should notice a difference if you simply remove the plastic joiner between the front air feed (which is behind the solid part of the bonnet) and the airbox. |
Hi, nice work! This is an area I was eventually going to address so I'll give you one of the thoughts I had.
You can remove the MAF sensor altogether and eliminate it with a resistor in the circuit. This will further increase flow. In the event you need to keep the sensor in place for visual inspection/emissions reasons, you can fabricate a larger tube and install the sensor in the side. |
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The MAF sensor would also need to be in the same sized tube to get the correct measurement of air flow. I am not sure what else the MAF on the diesel engine is being used for apart from the EGR, I am guessing it would adjust fueling slightly but it does also have the MAP sensor and the intake temp sensor to calculate the air density. Once I get a catch tank sorted I will look into modifying the inlet a bit more, will look to simply fit a straight 3" pipe to the turbo (with a reducer to 60mm) and attach the MAF and filter as is to see what difference it makes. On the stock turbo I don't think it will make a huge difference, however I am thinking that it would make a bit of difference when there is a larger turbo requiring additional flow. |
One thing to keep in mind is that a diesel operates with AFR's of as much as 32:1 so they require a boatload more air to build the same HP as an equivalent petrol engine.
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