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Old 07-02-2015, 12:32 AM
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Get some 3/16th poly armor brake line. It bends really easily. No need to tees. The master cyl already has an extra port for the front. It has an allen plug in it.

I just removed the abs on my 500sel last week... PO removed abs light... both front WS sensors were busted. I ran new hard brake lines from the rubber lines. Also replaced rubber lines. Worked well.

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Old 07-02-2015, 02:00 AM
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Instead the Thread turned into what all the other Threads on this topic are, a argument about why it shouldn't be done.
There could be a reason for that.....
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:01 AM
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@NickCox

Thank you, that is the kind of feedback i was looking for.

Did you remove the ABS unit it self and the Control model and if so how did you remove it from the Fuse Box?
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:22 AM
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On my car the ABS was non functioning. I removed nothing from the car in case I decide to reinstate the ABS. I just ran a line from the mc to the front brakes, and another to the rear, attaching to the existing lines after unhooking them from the abs unit.

As I understand how ABS works, it lets the brakes on and off very rapidly so that the tires always have decent traction so that steering can be maintained. A skilled driver on dry pavement should be able to beat an abs equipped car assuming all other facts are the same, since the basic design is to release the brakes no matter how briefly. However, if driving in rain or snow the abs is pretty nice to have since it allows you to steer and keep the car pointing in the direction you wish to go.

Do I want it in my car? I can take it or leave it but I want it on my wife's car and all my kid's.

I rarely activate it in my truck but it kicks in more readily in the wife's mazda5 since it has wide tires and less weight. It will occasionally activate on wet pavement....more often on snow.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:35 AM
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No, i have already been drawn into exactly what i figured this post would turn out to be a jar full of every ones 2 cents and their finger pointing and name calling opinions.

Bottom line is the ABS in my 300SDL has been disabled for at least 4 years maybe longer. I want to completely remove the ABS System and all of its components to make for less what i consider junk. It's my car and its not being used and i want it gone.

I was hoping i could get some in site to completing this task. Maybe even some tips and tricks to make the job easier.

Instead the Thread turned into what all the other Threads on this topic are, a argument about why it shouldn't be done.

Either way with or without actual help from the forum i will figure it out and eventually get it done.
You have identified WHAT components make up an ABS system, but you seem unable to grasp how it works and when it works.

The person who is capable of braking their vehicle better than an ABS system in an emergency is not the same person requesting help on how to remove it, or one who spells brake as "break".

This is why your threads devolve into arguments.

Now moving on, let me tell you about how im so fast, that i can jump free of my car before the accident is completed, so i removed my seat belts which cause accidents
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Old 07-02-2015, 12:39 PM
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You have identified WHAT components make up an ABS system, but you seem unable to grasp how it works and when it works.

The person who is capable of braking their vehicle better than an ABS system in an emergency is not the same person requesting help on how to remove it, or one who spells brake as "break".

This is why your threads devolve into arguments.

Now moving on, let me tell you about how im so fast, that i can jump free of my car before the accident is completed, so i removed my seat belts which cause accidents
Tough crowd!

Come on JB give him a brake! (sic)

Hey, you know its a very old car with a brain box under the passenger seat. I figured there was no guarantee that changing it for some hundreds of dollars would not necessarily fix the problem and since I have no clue about how to trouble shoot it.....well, you know.

Besides who understands these new fangled things anyhow?
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Yes yes formidable opinions are free for the taking, i got that much.

How ever what i may or may not know or what i may or may not understand and what i can and can not spell, or how i can or can not drive still remains irrelevant to the topic at hand.
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Old 07-02-2015, 04:50 PM
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ABS does not reduce braking power.
Unless it malfunctions.

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Old 07-02-2015, 07:13 PM
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Yes yes formidable opinions are free for the taking, i got that much.

How ever what i may or may not know or what i may or may not understand and what i can and can not spell, or how i can or can not drive still remains irrelevant to the topic at hand.
The trouble you are having is ABS improving braking performance and control in an emergency stop is an issue of well documented fact, not opinion. Actually so well proven that its been a standard feature on almost all motor vehicles for 20+ years at this point.

Your opinion is that this blatant issue of fact is actually an opinion weirdly, and that there is some debate here.

Plenty of people have removed ABS for one reason or another. Dont tell us its because you think its safer not to have it though, because you will get called on it.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:10 PM
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Fine call me on what you want, but don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was safer not to have it. I said not having it better suits my driving style and preferences and i like driving without it not with it.

I opened the Thread in hopes of getting some constructive feedback on removing it. Not for people spending time looking to make an opportunity to advertently call some one else an idiot, especially when it can be done in a non blunt way.

I don't know if it angers me more that i knew it was going to happen, or that it did happen knowing it would or that Knowing it would happen and i chose to post anyway and then let it get to me.

Perhaps its because i posted what had lead me to the decision to disable the ABS to begin with knowing it would only fuel the fire I didn't want to start in the first place.

Either way i stated that i wanted to remove it and that its been disabled for at least 4 years. Why i want to remove it is irrelevant to the topic. If i had said i wanted to remove it so i could lock up the brakes then that's were the discussion would have went and I would have been called an idiot for wanting to lock up the brakes even thought that's still irrelevant to the topic at discussion.

For some reason the old golden rule "If you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all" has been completely lost in online forums. Same goes for saying something constructive "If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything at all".
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:29 PM
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Thank you, that is the kind of feedback i was looking for.

Did you remove the ABS unit it self and the Control model and if so how did you remove it from the Fuse Box?
I removed the abs unit And pulled the relay. I did not mess with the control box yet. Currently I haven't done anything else. So there is a connector laying where the abs unit was.

If you pm me I could take some pictures if that would help. Pretty simple, just takes some time and good ol double flairs.
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Old 07-02-2015, 11:58 PM
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Fine call me on what you want, but don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was safer not to have it. I said not having it better suits my driving style and preferences and i like driving without it not with it.

I opened the Thread in hopes of getting some constructive feedback on removing it. Not for people spending time looking to make an opportunity to advertently call some one else an idiot, especially when it can be done in a non blunt way.

I don't know if it angers me more that i knew it was going to happen, or that it did happen knowing it would or that Knowing it would happen and i chose to post anyway and then let it get to me.

Perhaps its because i posted what had lead me to the decision to disable the ABS to begin with knowing it would only fuel the fire I didn't want to start in the first place.

Either way i stated that i wanted to remove it and that its been disabled for at least 4 years. Why i want to remove it is irrelevant to the topic. If i had said i wanted to remove it so i could lock up the brakes then that's were the discussion would have went and I would have been called an idiot for wanting to lock up the brakes even thought that's still irrelevant to the topic at discussion.

For some reason the old golden rule "If you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all" has been completely lost in online forums. Same goes for saying something constructive "If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything at all".
Mighty big chip on your shoulder, considering you are on a public forum asking for help in removing a safety feature that gives you a discount on your insurance and was designed by engineers that know more than you will ever dream of about brakes. Disabling and removing the ABS system puts other drivers at risk, you can't modulate your brake pedal better than a properly functioning ABS system. That's why you get a insurance discount.


You must live in a state where yearly safety inspections are not done, otherwise you and your modified car wouldn't be allowed on public roads. For good reasons, and the nest owner of your fine German diesel will depend on having ABS, unless you are upfront about disabling a well engineered safety system when you sell it on to the next owner.
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Old 07-03-2015, 12:02 AM
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No, but its insured as a Non ABS car anyway so not a problem.

ABS is not all its cracked up to be, there are very few instances were ABS would actually help. My driving style allows me to drive with out it. They were not Mercedes and the accidents were not my fault but i totaled two previous vehicles due to ABS. The one i would have avoided if it wasn't for ABS. The other would not have been avoided altogether but i believe without ABS i could have reduced the damage and that vehicle may have not been totaled. I need full control of the vehicle and ABS takes it away from you. I also tow with this car and need full breaking power at certain times, would not always be the case but it could arise where you need more breaking power when towing and the ABS could potentially hinder that depending on weight and road conditions. Although this could all also be chalked up to my opinion.

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I call bull on being insured as a non ABS vehicle, no insurance company would insure a car that has had ABS removed.
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Old 07-03-2015, 12:04 AM
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Fine call me on what you want, but don't put words in my mouth. I never said it was safer not to have it. I said not having it better suits my driving style and preferences and i like driving without it not with it.

I opened the Thread in hopes of getting some constructive feedback on removing it. Not for people spending time looking to make an opportunity to advertently call some one else an idiot, especially when it can be done in a non blunt way.

I don't know if it angers me more that i knew it was going to happen, or that it did happen knowing it would or that Knowing it would happen and i chose to post anyway and then let it get to me.

Perhaps its because i posted what had lead me to the decision to disable the ABS to begin with knowing it would only fuel the fire I didn't want to start in the first place.

Either way i stated that i wanted to remove it and that its been disabled for at least 4 years. Why i want to remove it is irrelevant to the topic. If i had said i wanted to remove it so i could lock up the brakes then that's were the discussion would have went and I would have been called an idiot for wanting to lock up the brakes even thought that's still irrelevant to the topic at discussion.

For some reason the old golden rule "If you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all" has been completely lost in online forums. Same goes for saying something constructive "If you have nothing constructive to say then don't say anything at all".
Post number 5 pretty much seals your fate. Instead of complaining about all the bad people on the internet grab the ol' toolbox and start removing parts if having it disabled is not enough.

What exactly do you want people to say?

Your intention is to remove a braking system component for absurd reasons like your "driving style" and the crazy notion that locking up your wheels in a hard braking incident will result in better towing control. All based on a mention of two accidents which werent your fault but were the fault of the ABS. Ok, we get it. No one would be giving you trouble if you needed the room for something else, or a host of other reasons that do not demonstrate you have no idea how the system even works in the first place.

People dont react favorably when ones reasoning makes no sense, and it sounds like youve heard it all before, but are just as deaf.

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