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Transmision troubles
Been a minute since I have been around here, but hey, these old MBs are just so dependable.
Stopped at a redlight Mon. and when I started off the trans would only shift from 1st to 2nd and seemed slow about that. If I shift it into neutral and then back into drive it will shift back to first and then to 3rd. No flare, no slipping, just missed shifts. Just wondering if this is something simple to fix in the vehicle or should I just change out the trans with one I have in reserve. This problem is on my ol 53 F100 with the 617.951 and 722.303 out of a 82 300SD. I have driven it 85K miles pretty much trouble free. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated, Jeff
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1971 R600 Mack toterhome (SuperDawg) 99 NU-WA Snowbird 34+2 SE 102 5er If it's not diesel, it's not in my stable! 53 F100 617.951/auto 95 Dodge 3500 Cummins/5 speed service truck |
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start with simple things first,oil level and kick down switch (may be stuck) /
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Fluid level is correct and there is no kickdown switch installed.
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Have you changed the ATF and filter in the last 15k miles? Did you use a cheapo filter from FLAPS, or make the effort to get a Mann / Hengst / Mahle filter? Filters can clog and collapse and cause all sorts of weird behavior.
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Respectfully, /s/ M. Dillon '87 124.193 (300TD) "White Whale", ~392k miles, 3.5l IP fitted '95 124.131 (E300) "Sapphire", 380k miles '73 Balboa 20 "Sanctification" Charleston SC |
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Filter has about 15K on it and is a Hengst, ordered through our sponsors. I don't think this is a filter issue, it started all at once. There has never been an issue with this trans, no flare, no slip, just smooth shifts as it should be.
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@mechmagcn
While I'm also doubtful that it would be your fluid and filter, it might however be a good (and cheap'ish) place to start. On my '84 300D I lost 4th gear suddenly a few months ago. One minute it was there, and the next it wasn't. All the car would do is freewheel as if it was in neutral when it shifted into 4th, so 4th was totally gone. I thought for sure my transmission was toast. Changed fluid and filter (and added 15 fl. oz of Trans-X fluid) and transmission has been working perfectly since. Lost 4th gear.... Apparently fluid and tranny filters are insanely important on these transmissions, and the slightest impurity in the fluid or clogged filter will cause issues.
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"The MB W123 is so bulletproof, you can drive them forever. Which is a good thing as it takes that long to get anywhere." Betsie: 1984 W123 300D (hobby, 280k miles) Myrla: 2001 Mazda Protege 2.0 ES 5spd (daily driver, 130k miles) The Turd: 2007 Toyota Camry (wife's car, 118k miles) |
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15k miles and it is time for new fluid and new filter, and don't forget to drain the torque converter. Start simple / cheap, work your way up to expensive / complex.
Any work done to the truck recently? Anything at all, like tinkering under the hood or under the truck? So many problems are caused when some work fixes one thing but breaks another, fortunately those are often cheap/free or simple to fix once you find them.
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Respectfully, /s/ M. Dillon '87 124.193 (300TD) "White Whale", ~392k miles, 3.5l IP fitted '95 124.131 (E300) "Sapphire", 380k miles '73 Balboa 20 "Sanctification" Charleston SC |
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Nothing done recently. I think I have a filter kit already, I'll try a filter change this weekend.
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Had a few minutes between jobs today to check farther into my transmission woes.
The rubber bellows on the Bowden cable has disintegrated and I thought that might be making the cable stick. Unhooked the cable and discovered that it wouldn't shift at all. The threaded part that adjusts was broken when I pulled the trans from the donor car. I checked the adjustment on two other trans I have in my possession and they measured 16 mm or so. Mine had worn down to about 11 mm, so I put a zip tie between to take up the difference. The trans is back to shifting all gears again, but it seems that I need to make some adjustment as they are higher than normal at wide open throttle. Anyone have a link to the proper adjustment procedure for the cable? |
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My semi-hack fix on one 300D when the plastic Bowden adjuster broke was to cut a longitudinal slit in a steel tube (5/16"OD?) and slip it over the adjuster to hold that position. Of course, it is no longer adjustable, but works fine.
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Tune it until you like how it shifts, then be happy.
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Respectfully, /s/ M. Dillon '87 124.193 (300TD) "White Whale", ~392k miles, 3.5l IP fitted '95 124.131 (E300) "Sapphire", 380k miles '73 Balboa 20 "Sanctification" Charleston SC |
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Well, I drove the truck about 100 miles yesterday and the transmission worked flawlessly. I guess when the problem started a piece of the threaded adjuster must have fallen out to throw it so far out.
How much trouble is it to change the Bowden cable? In looking at my spare trans it looks like it presses into the case and I assume there is a pin or clip attaching it to the valve body. Since it is time for a fluid change I might as well replace it while I'm in there. |
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Another question while on the subject of this transmission. I have driven this truck about 85K miles since the swap and have never been able to feel but two shifts. I had always heard that these were four speed transmissions. Is it possible that I am not getting first gear because of not having a kickdown switch installed?
I have pulled a 1600# teardrop camper from coast to coast and all the way to the Arctic Circle in AK. Never felt that I absolutely needed a lower gear, just wondering? |
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trans problem
I had a problem with my car a while back, though different symptoms. Mine suddenly wouldn't upshift, and another time it would shift but only if I did it manually with my automatic transmission.
The problem was a $12 plastic gear. My mobile mechanic got to the problem in under 20 minutes including jacking up the car, took out the (?) governor or a part prior to the governor and replaced the part. All worked well for a few months when it happened again. Turns out part 2 of the problem was that some of the parts from the broken plastic gear got into the rear pump, causing a repeat problem. I did a write up on it including the part numbers (though my car is different than yours), you can search my posts on this forum. jeff w124 |
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