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w124 300D 2.5T (250DT) tranny swappability
Hello!
I bought a '89 w124 250DT (300D 2.5T in America iirc?) two months ago. These come with a OM602.962 along with a 722.418. Transmission was replaced shortly before along with filter. Last month my car stopped moving and went to neutral when going up a steep hill. Smelled like burnt atf, and that was the last I saw of my second gear. My technical skill is limited, most of my knowledge is from researching on the Internet during the last month. Feel free to correct me if I say something strange. Summary: Quote:
I checked the tranny number, and I found out that the transmission on the car actually was a 722.414 - a 250D transmission. 1. Is the 250D transmission the source of my problems? I'm not interested in changing parts on the transmission if it will be wrecked within another month of driving. I've read a couple different opinions about using transmissions from other diesels - some say that it would work fine apart from slightly different shifting points. [ I called a MB auto specialist - he said that the transmission would be torn apart by the extra power of my engine. Is this correct? Isn't all of the 722.4 trannies W4A020, rated for 145 lb/ft or ~196nm? Ref. Europeantransmissions application list I'd really like to know whether it was the wrong tranny, or if it was the condition of the tranny. 2. What transmissions would fit for my vehicle? As far as I know the .413 which belongs to the 190D 2.5T is a direct fit. However the .413 and .418 transmissions are a nightmare to find in Norway. The tested gearboxes avaible now are the following: 722.414 from '88 250TD and '93 250D 722.415 from a '92 300TD 722.434 from a '95 250D Are there any problems with the newer gearboxes e.g electronic speedometer?3. Would I be better off going to the more sturdy 722.3 from a 300DT? 4. Maybe a manual conversion would be better? I believe I have more options if I go down that road. The engine runs just fine, gets 4̶5 40* MPG, car has ASD, doesn't have any dangerous rust and is road certified for almost two more years, so I think it would be worth throwing some money at. Attached is a spreadsheet I made with the info available: http://bildr.no/image/VU1yQzNB.jpeg |
Any 2.5t trans should be fine.
All usa 2.5t 300D and 190D2.5T use the .418... |
Where do you live? I'm doubtful you are getting 45mpg... my manual 190D2.5 can't get that...
Imperial gallons? |
Oh yeah, realized it was an UK convertor, my apologies.
My measurement showed 5.85l/100km, which should be closer to 40 mpg. That was mostly-eco highway driving, which is what the car is used for. |
Your specialist is correct. the 413 and 418 have an extra plate in each clutch pack to handle the extra torque of the turbo. Any NA diesel transmission will fit, but it's life will be short. I had this problem when my 190D turbo blew it's transmission. BTW, the difference between the 413 and 418 is the bowden cable, which can be swapped. But that doesn't help you find one. A 722.3xx will be much larger. Not sure whether or not you'd have room, I know my 190DT didn't have the space. I wonder if there's a transmission from a Sprinter that would work.
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The 722.409/410/412/413/416/417/418 transmissions have identical K1 & K2 clutch packs.
Fitment: 722.409 - 260 E/190 E 2.6 722.410 - 190 E 2.3-16 722.412 - 260 SE 722.413 - 250 D TURBO/E 250 TURBODIESEL 722.416 - 300 D/TD/CD TURBODIESEL, 300 SD TURBODIESEL 722.417 - 190 E 2.5-16 722.418 - 190 D 2.5 TURBO The 722.413 & .418 is absolutely identical. All other have different valve box, modulator box, governor. N.B. 722.413/418: working pressure - 14,6-16,6 bar modulating pressure - 3,25 bar Reglerdruck - 0,9 bar (30 km/h) & 2,5 bar (90 km/h) :) |
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