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BillGrissom 08-25-2015 03:49 PM

I can see it happening because the shaky idle is a "comes and goes" thing. It often appears that the engine gets in a "positive feedback loop", aka a microphone too close to a speaker. The feedback might be from the shaking causing the IP to modulate fuel, which amplifies the shaking, at certain rpm's that match the "natural frequency" of the engine & mounts system. Being a "nonlinear effect", it sometimes takes a certain external excitement to get it started, and any little thing like a shaky air cleaner might be enough to push it over the threshold. Think of the "butterfly effect" in world weather. Sometimes a computer model even needs a little starting bump to get it to show oscillations.

vwnate1 08-25-2015 04:36 PM

Diagnosis of problems should always follow a linear pattern to avoid chasing your tail .

Most of the Vehicles I work on have been through the mill so they tend to have really obscure problems , often DPO & DPM bodges .

Fiddling with the rack damper bolt before you personally have cold adjusted the valves , as a waste of time and effort .

As a Journeyman Mechanic I always like to hear others ideas so threads that meander around are usually very instructive although not always to the original question .

leathermang 08-25-2015 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillGrissom (Post 3512431)
I can see it happening because the shaky idle is a "comes and goes" thing. It often appears that the engine gets in a "positive feedback loop", aka a microphone too close to a speaker. The feedback might be from the shaking causing the IP to modulate fuel, which amplifies the shaking, at certain rpm's that match the "natural frequency" of the engine & mounts system. Being a "nonlinear effect", it sometimes takes a certain external excitement to get it started, and any little thing like a shaky air cleaner might be enough to push it over the threshold. Think of the "butterfly effect" in world weather. Sometimes a computer model even needs a little starting bump to get it to show oscillations.

Pure Vivid Imagination.

otto huber 08-26-2015 11:07 PM

The rubber mount that I replaced over the weekend has already broken, so yeah, it was just a coincidence that my idle smoothed out at the same time.

If my idle gets rough again, maybe I'll do the same repair as kind of a rain dance ritual thing before I start adjusting valves and changing filters.:rolleyes:

Skid Row Joe 08-27-2015 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mannys9130 (Post 3511876)
Weird. I have a hard time believing a loose air filter would affect idle on a diesel engine.

Me too. That's a new one on me.


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